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mckyj57 @ Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:13 am wrote:
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So how does the rotations in the karaoke programs work. Is it a set rotation meaning you do it the way the manu thinks it should be done or is it manually done where you add singers & can adjust where people are?

In CompuHost, when you add someone they go to the end of the current list, i.e. after everyone ahead of them in time and not rotation. But you can easily move them up or down in the list, and adjust the rotation.

When someone leaves and you are not sure they are totally gone, you can make them inactive. That will skip them until you make them active again, but keep their place in the rotation.

You can also delete someone when you are sure they have left.


Well Hoster can do all this as well. Only thing at can't do currently is add multiple songs at a time. Does CH automatically keep the names in in order for the next round - song in or not? Or does it delete a singer after they sing if another song is not added?

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tbreen @ Sat Jul 05, 2008 8:33 am wrote:
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Lonman @ Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:58 am wrote:
So how does the rotations in the karaoke programs work. Is it a set rotation meaning you do it the way the manu thinks it should be done or is it manually done where you add singers & can adjust where people are?


In CompuHost, when you add someone they go to the end of the current list, i.e. after everyone ahead of them in time and not rotation. But you can easily move them up or down in the list, and adjust the rotation.



CompuHost allows you to "override" the suggested placement while adding the singer, you do NOT have to put them at the bottom and "move them up"!

When adding a singer with the Add Performer dialog, simply change the "Position" by typing over it, presto, the new singer is placed where you want and the rotation is automatically updated!

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Ok well that's kind of cool!

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Lonman @ Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:50 pm wrote:
Well Hoster can do all this as well.

I assume you mean the new version/beta with rotation handling.

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Only thing at can't do currently is add multiple songs at a time. Does CH automatically keep the names in in order for the next round - song in or not? Or does it delete a singer after they sing if another song is not added?

Yes, if you have it set up that way (which I do, since we are a small outfit). It can also set them up to be deleted if they have no song.


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What I do is have ONE song slip for every singer. When I get a new slip the song # gets transferred to the appropriate singer's slip. It is MUCH easier to handle a 30 singer rotation with 30 slips versus having piles and piles of songslips.

The "bring one, sing one" approach makes a lot more sense to me as many singers select songs based on what the crowd wants to hear. I've had people give me one slip with 10-12 songs to only have them continually change their songs and MAYBE sing 3 or 4 of the songs on the original slip.


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mckyj57 @ Sat Jul 05, 2008 11:12 am wrote:
Lonman @ Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:50 pm wrote:
Well Hoster can do all this as well.

I assume you mean the new version/beta with rotation handling.


Well I guess i'm confused then. You add a song with a singer name & it goes to the bottom of the list & you can move it to where you want - the currently available version not talking about the new 4.0 coming out. But if you run in auto mode (again which I don't) you can skip singers or delete them as needed. Now it is a constant cycle of adding the singer name for each song - so maybe this is what you are describing where it will keep the singer name in the list & you can just add their song when they hand up another?
I don't use the programs for rotation management anyway, I still prefer to use my method & separate program (which you saw) to just let people see where they are.

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Lonman @ Sat Jul 05, 2008 3:46 pm wrote:
mckyj57 @ Sat Jul 05, 2008 11:12 am wrote:
Lonman @ Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:50 pm wrote:
Well Hoster can do all this as well.

I assume you mean the new version/beta with rotation handling.


Well I guess i'm confused then. You add a song with a singer name & it goes to the bottom of the list & you can move it to where you want - the currently available version not talking about the new 4.0 coming out.

Then I am confused. I thought you were asking about rotation. I know how the current release Hoster works, and it doesn't keep rotation at all. You just add songs and they go to the bottom of the list. You can stick a note with a singer name on it if you want, but Hoster doesn't make you do that.

With CompuHost, you add a singer name once. You add songs for that singer, as many as you want. The rotation list always remains the same, unless you add a new singer. (Or manually adjust the list yourself.)

In other words, you have a list of singers, and each singer has a list of songs.

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But if you run in auto mode (again which I don't) you can skip singers or delete them as needed. Now it is a constant cycle of adding the singer name for each song - so maybe this is what you are describing where it will keep the singer name in the list & you can just add their song when they hand up another?

Yes, or you can add several songs at the same time and they will be used up as their turn in the rotation comes.

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I don't use the programs for rotation management anyway, I still prefer to use my method & separate program (which you saw) to just let people see where they are.

I know. I thought you were asking about programs handling rotation, which CompuHost, Siglos Professional, and AutoKDJ do. They have a list of singers, not songs.


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mckyj57 @ Sat Jul 05, 2008 1:53 pm wrote:
Lonman @ Sat Jul 05, 2008 3:46 pm wrote:
mckyj57 @ Sat Jul 05, 2008 11:12 am wrote:
Lonman @ Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:50 pm wrote:
Well Hoster can do all this as well.

I assume you mean the new version/beta with rotation handling.


Well I guess i'm confused then. You add a song with a singer name & it goes to the bottom of the list & you can move it to where you want - the currently available version not talking about the new 4.0 coming out.

Then I am confused. I thought you were asking about rotation. I know how the current release Hoster works, and it doesn't keep rotation at all. You just add songs and they go to the bottom of the list. You can stick a note with a singer name on it if you want, but Hoster doesn't make you do that.

With CompuHost, you add a singer name once. You add songs for that singer, as many as you want. The rotation list always remains the same, unless you add a new singer. (Or manually adjust the list yourself.)

In other words, you have a list of singers, and each singer has a list of songs.


Ah ok. Yeah I was asking about rotation, just didn't understand how they worked since I do not use them.

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I don't understand how hosting programs work either. So can you manipulate the order by dragging selections up and down the list with a mouse like on a player? That's my way of working because it's so fast and easy.

Lonnie somehow I missed your post on your computer going down. Wow! :( I hope you can retrieve everything.

Stories like that scare the crap out of me. I don't have things backed up regularly and have been buying downloads like crazy lately. This probably should be in Technical, but does hard drive speed have anything to do with how they hold up in a club environment? I was thinking that maybe I should have got a 5400rpm (the notebook speed?) drive.


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Personally, I don't understand why anyone would buy KJ software that doesn't keep rotation for you. AutOKdj has the most comprehensive rotations schemes and it's freeware.

In good 'ol deceased Sacks-O-Nuts the rotation was a simple "sing one, bring one" system. The singer hands you twelve slips. You put in his name and click on his twelve songs. Done. The computer kept two lists, active and inactive. The same name could only be in the active list once. As soon as the singer sang his active song it pulled the next one from the inactive list and added it to the bottom of the active. If you wanted to play a song out of sequence, you selected the song and pushed the "Play Song Right Now" button. Hook up the kiosks and the rotation took care of itself completely assuming that you clicked the "Stop" button every once in a while to get an update from the kiosks.

I'm beginning to sound like the proud parent of a "special" child. But, that's how the rotation worked anyway.

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Bill H. @ Sat Jul 05, 2008 6:47 pm wrote:
Stories like that scare the crap out of me. I don't have things backed up regularly and have been buying downloads like crazy lately. This probably should be in Technical, but does hard drive speed have anything to do with how they hold up in a club environment? I was thinking that maybe I should have got a 5400rpm (the notebook speed?) drive.

I have seen CDG drives fail more often than I have computers.

My approach is to bring two laptops. One has CompuHost, the other MTU Hoster -- they both have the same song set. (Pretty much, I haven't converted all to Hoster yet and I have run out of space, so it is a subset).

I have never had to break out the old one, but it is sure nice to have in my quiver.


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karyoker @ Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:46 pm wrote:
Eben I never researched or understood smart. Is that common in the bios on newer motherboards even in laptops? The latest DAW I built had it and I didnt have a clue what it was In fact I think I disabled it...


Most of the newer BIOS has it built in for SATA or ATA drives. If you look at modern disk drives, they are like little computers. They have intelligence built in. They know, for example, when a sector is bad, it will reallocate a good sector in it's place. It also knows when you are starting to get soft errors and hard errors. SMART is just a communication protocol for the drive to let you know that there are too many errors occuring, often this is a precursor to a failing drive.

The nice thing about the SMART is that you get an early warning, when the sectors are beginning to fail. The drive's data correction mechanism will continue to correct the data and give you the right data until it runs out of option. So, you can back up your data while the disk drive can recover bad data.

I definitely recommend it on so you know when to replace that drive before you lose the data.

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