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Is there anything I can do for a quick fix for my on my effects not working on my sound board? like maybe a software program i can use off of my pc?

No, the microphone is not routed to the PC.

What "sound board" are you talking about? Did you make sure you have the FX turned up on both the mic channel and the output to the main and monitor?

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rent?

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Jeff Wheeler, moonlight DJ/KJ

Turn the EFF knob on each channel that has a mic plugged into it all the way to the left (EFX 1). Then on the right side of the mixer in the Stereo Effects area, turn the SELECT knob to Reverb and the PARAMETER knob to the vertical position (Between 5 & 6). Now you can slowly turn the EFFECT 1 knob to the right until you hear the desired level of reverb in your mix. That should get you a simple config for now.

If you see the PK1 LED flash or come on solid, turn the EFF knob on each mic channel toward the center (Straight up or OFF position) a little at a time until the PK1 LED goes out.

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DJ Tony
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Thank you Letitrip for all of your advice. I had a fellow kj go with me to help set it up, he said I didn't need the extra amp. So he unplugged it and all of the componants and plugged them all into my soundboard. When he test the sound out, to me, it still sounded like crap but he insisted it sounded great! All of the settings on the dials are now waaay different than what I have gotten use to and he said he couldn't find any of the effects working. Last night my board felt very warm and one of the speakers started rattling really bad inside towards the bottom.It's very frustrating not knowing what the heck I'm doing nor how to fix it. I'm just about ready to throw in the towel but I'm trying to hang in there for my husband. Back to the subject, do you think the effects on my board are out? I have another carvin board but it's an 800, would that matter? As for my speaker I have a smaller one I can use for the time being. Thanks again to everyone. This site has been very very helpful.

Can you give a list of you equipment? Makes/models. That might help a bit.

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I have a Carvin PA 1200, Audio Centron 1600 amp, 2 audio centron ce-34's,audio centron cm-15H monitor and vo co pro mk II mics. I can also tell you that my late husband had the floor monitor plugged into the amp in the - and + with a banana clip (i think that's what you call it) and one of the speakers which was connected to the other speaker plugged into the other - and + with another banana clip. My friend was saying there was no need for the extra amp so he unplugged it. I told him there had to be a reason for my husband hooking it up the way he did but he couldn't figure out why so he set it all up going through the soundboard and it got very warm last night.

Do you need the extra amp? No, the Carvin has one built it. However, quite honestly both the built in amp on the Carvin PA1200 and the Audio Centron 1600 are fairly under powered for those speakers you're using. The 1600 would be a little better than the pa 1200. The External Amplifier delivers 250W/Channel @ 8ohms while the Carvin only pushes about 200. Like I said though both are underpowering those speaker cabinets quite a bit. Ideally, those speakers should have an amplifier capable of delivering somewhere in the neighborhood of 1200W/channel at 8 ohms.

The Carvin probably got warm this time because you were using the built in amplifier rather than the extrenal. The sound you're hearing from your speakers on the other hand is troublesome to me. It could just be distortion because you're taxing the Carvin mixer to its limits (the amplifier inside it that is) or it is possible that if you've been doing that for some time that it has caused damage to your speakers. If you lived anywhere near me I'd offer to come out and take a look, unfortunately I'm guessing you're not in WI so that's probably not a likely scenario. I wish I had better news for you on this.

Going forward, see if you can find someone that's humble enough but knows enough to follow the directions I gave you and see if anything improves. I hope that no real damage has been done but honestly even in the config I gave you, the amplifier still makes me very nervous because it's seriously under-powered. I've seen more speakers damaged from under-powering than over-powering.

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DJ Tony
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I just read your most recent reply, and it did leave me with one thought. If you follow all my other directions as I've stated, then used the Amplifier in bridged mode with the two main speakers plugged in "daisy-chain" style as you mentioned, you might be able to use the amplifier in Bridged mono to drive both of them which would ultimately give you more power. The only thing I'd have to check is whether or not that Amp will tolerate only a 2ohm load which is what it would see if you connect the speakers in parallell (which makes it only a 4 ohm load) and bridge the amp (which halves the load again now down to 2 ohms). I don't know if I'll be able to find that answer, that model hasn't been made for a while and finding any info on it is pretty tough. My thinking is then it would be able to deliver 1600W which would mean each speaker sees about 800W (loosely theoretically).

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DJ Tony
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letitrip, I might be confused by your post. Are you suggesting the OP bridge their amp into a 2 ohm load, giving a 1 ohm per channel load to the amplifier?

Even modern, state-of-the-art, $2000+ amps lose significant output when you go down to 1 ohm per channel. Plus, the 2 ohm circuit to the speakers means the speaker cables are carrying more current, so they need to be a bigger gauge or voltage drop will increase. And of course the amp will generate more heat.

If I read your suggestion right, I think it is a bad idea for the OP.

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Jeff Wheeler, moonlight DJ/KJ

No NO NO, definitely not. Here speakers are 8ohm each. So if she connects them in parallel that would now present a 4 ohm load to the amp. Now if you bridge it, that would make it a 2ohm load/ch. I'm not sure how that amp would tolerate it, but if it would, it would be a much better solution than the current config.

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From what I could find on that amp it doesn't support a 4 ohm bridge. Here are the specs that I found.
800 watts RMS mono bridged to 8 ohms
250 watts RMS/channel into 8 ohms
400 watts RMS/channel into 4 ohms

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Oh wow! Huh? Is there such a person as a karaoke-audio tech-system setter upper I can call that will come out and set it up for me? haha, probably not. I wish I had one of you guys out here to do that. Unfortunately, all the peeps in my area don't know as much as I thought they would. I've had 5 or 6 different people look at it, scratch their heads,talk out loud to themselves and say "HUH?" But I do appreciate all of the feedback just wish I knew what you guys were talking about.

I forgot one more thing. Should I switch out my carvin 1200 for the 800 carvin to check if the effects work on that or is that one too small. Also, would it help to use my smaller speakers? The club is a very long and narrow place.

If you want someone local to help you (probably a good idea) try asking local bands that have good sound techs and equipment. These guys are generally more knowledgeable than most KJs. Generally.

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Jeff Wheeler, moonlight DJ/KJ

Please don't take this the wrong way, but YOU need to become a "karaoke-audio tech-system setter upper" if you want to succeed. You need to read, learn & understand everything about your equipment, what each piece does and how they interact! Set it up in your living room, play with everything. Experiment. Tear it down and do it again. Try different configurations, settings, adjustments and listen to what they do or don't do. Don't just learn what plug goes where, but WHY it goes there.

You can do it...it's not that hard! Then when something goes wrong at a show, you will know where the problem lies and be able to fix it quick.

Mycinni, I live in San Jose, about 1 hour from you. If you have any questions on setting up boards, just let me know. I would be happy to come by and help you out with the setup. If you need to get in touch, just PM me and I will send you my cell number.

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Your rig is not anything complicated, it's a rather straight up setup. Being that you said about 5 or 6 have looked and tried to setup your rig with no success... something might have went south. If you can find another mixer/amp, try switching.