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Karaoke is just as simple as PEOPLE singing along to their favorite songs for entertainment and to entertain others.

Why make it more or less than it is ???

There are GREAT singers and their are HORRIBLE singers and most are somewhere in between !

Karaoke IS what ever the singer wants it to be while they are "on stage"
ART ..sure
FUN... sure
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Remember waaaayyyy back when the bumper sticker came out that said "America...love it or leave it" and as a fellow American I felt strongly about that phrase. So holds true with this, or anything, for that matter. Life is too short to spend your precious few hours doing things you don't enjoy.

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jamkaraoke @ Tue Dec 15, 2009 2:26 pm wrote:
Karaoke IS what ever the singer wants it to be while they are "on stage"
ART ..sure
FUN... sure
Goofing off...sure

Very true, but for someone who is supposed to be doing this as well to encourage all singers to describe karaoke as bad art, or trainwreck or whatever - demeans the very thing one is trying to promote. I guess I just see karaoke as much more than that and have never had anything bad to say about it (well ok when it was first introduced to me in 89 I didn't think much of it - that quickly changed & i've never thought that way again).

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Lonman, I so completely agree! Karaoke is so much more than that to me as well. There are monents that is not perfect, but for the greater share it has transformed my life. I met my wife at karaoke (she had never been to karaoke before that night) and it has transformed her life as well. We without a doubt consider it an "art"

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Lonnie, you are so right. Sad to say there is a lot of really bad karaoke out there, which is what sticks in a lot of folks' minds. On the other hand, my husband and I met at a karaoke show 14 years ago. Most of our dear friends have come to us through our karaoke shows. I have watched more than one person absolutely BLOOM from shy wallflower to confident in the matter of three months. I never get tired of the gratitude that they express to me as I feel like I have done my job when they are so appreciative of what we do.

I love the children that come to my shows - there is a 10 year old autistic boy who comes in and sings the most amazing songs; he finally trusts me and we ham it up. There are young girls who are petrified of their own shadows who with a little urging and my support are able to finally break it wide open.

Art? I think so.


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Lonman @ Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:05 am wrote:
Man the way some of you all describe karaoke (trainwreck, bad art, etc.) it makes me wonder why you decided to get into it in the first place?


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jamkaraoke @ Tue Dec 15, 2009 2:26 pm wrote:
Karaoke IS what ever the singer wants it to be while they are "on stage"
ART ..sure
FUN... sure
Goofing off...sure

Very true, but for someone who is supposed to be doing this as well to encourage all singers to describe karaoke as bad art, or trainwreck or whatever - demeans the very thing one is trying to promote. I guess I just see karaoke as much more than that and have never had anything bad to say about it (well ok when it was first introduced to me in 89 I didn't think much of it - that quickly changed & i've never thought that way again).

Is every act that auditions for American Idol performing a work of art? Is every performance provided by every contestant on American Idol a work of art?

Regardless of what you answer is to either or both of the above questions, clearly American Idol is entertaining. That's why it's the number one rated show.
jamkaraoke @ Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:26 pm wrote:
Karaoke is just as simple as PEOPLE singing along to their favorite songs for entertainment and to entertain others.

Why make it more or less than it is ???

There are GREAT singers and their are HORRIBLE singers and most are somewhere in between !

And unless you believe that every American Idol performance , including every audition is art, then you must wonder the same about karaoke?

Unless you believe that every karaoke performance is art, then you many wonder if karaoke represents art? If not every performance, are most karaoke performances at most shows a work of art?

Karaoke as a show is entertaining. Sometimes it is artful, but usually artless. BUT entertaining, nonetheless! And that's what I love about it. To me it's entertaining just to see people TRY and even more entertaining when they SUCCEED!

mrmarog @ Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:13 pm wrote:
Lonman, I so completely agree! Karaoke is so much more than that to me as well. There are monents that is not perfect, but for the greater share it has transformed my life. I met my wife at karaoke (she had never been to karaoke before that night) and it has transformed her life as well. We without a doubt consider it an "art"


IMHO, because something generate nostalgic memories doesn't qualify that event to be considered an art form? But, then maybe it does?

I've heard that a jar of urine with a crucifix in it is considered by some to be art?
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Lonnie, what it IS here is that we all know that karaoke can be somewhat good sometimes and at times a performance trainwreck.

I think a lot of these comments made here, mine included, are just to describe what our perceptions are towards karaoke sometimes, and the opinions about it from others.

WOULD WE ADVERTISE these negative opinions in our literature? No.

BUT should we fool ourselves into thinking that its entertainment value is like a great band or a well rehearsed professional group? I think not.

Like EVERYTHING it has good and bad, but more of a bad reputation from the general public. I KNOW I CRINGE when i walk into a show and hear a bad singer singing. And i pass by a few people leaving on my way in...

Like JAM stated. don't make it MORE than it is (or less), but see it for all it's many faults as well...


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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.


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...or as the infamous song says, "Beauty's in the Eye of the Beerholder."


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Any form of entertainment is an art - karaoke is entertainment - karaoke is an art, however you want to classify it good or bad is your business, but it is an art form. And if you don't think it's entertainment value has any merit like those of a good (if you can really even find one these days) band, then you are obviously going to the wrong shows that can pack out a club just as much as any band. I have been to band shows that drew in a handful of people in a bar and the band wasn't bad, I have seen, been to & hosted karaoke shows where people were standing outside waiting to get in - why, because they want to be part of the entertainment, karaoke allows one to be a part of that.

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Lonman @ Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:41 pm wrote:
Any form of entertainment is an art - karaoke is entertainment - karaoke is an art, however you want to classify it good or bad is your business, but it is an art form. And if you don't think it's entertainment value has any merit like those of a good (if you can really even find one these days) band, then you are obviously going to the wrong shows that can pack out a club just as much as any band. I have been to band shows that drew in a handful of people in a bar and the band wasn't bad, I have seen, been to & hosted karaoke shows where people were standing outside waiting to get in - why, because they want to be part of the entertainment, karaoke allows one to be a part of that.


With THAT kind of reasoning then EVERYTHING is an art form. Every job, every performance, and anything that requires your brain to focus. That's general-speak.

I have also been to and hosted great karaoke shows, but karaoke IS NOT all about the performances! It's about the OVERALL commradery and FEEL of the show and NEARLY all of the success of that show is due to the audience's MOOD...a mood that can turn on you in a second if you have too many ballad-hell songs or terrible performers that just stand there and sing and don't move.

If the mood is good with the audience due to the kjs' hosting skills, sound, upbeat or solid "listenable" or excellent performances then the crowd mentality and mood takes over and people participate MORE (ie..dancing, clapping, screaming) and it becomes a great show whether big or small.

I'm NOT implying that one bad song will ruin everyone's night, but several can/will bring the atmosphere down unless the crowd decides to support the bad singers or not, and then you have people LEAVING. This is why filler music is utilized, alcohol is served, and the kj needs to keep tabs on the crowds mood and try and enhance it.


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This thread actual picks up where another thread that discussed the same philosophical question left off!

I appreciate the following repeated definition of "art", which comes from earlier post on this thread.

tovmod @ Sun Dec 13, 2009 6:09 pm wrote:
"Art is the process or product of deliberately arranging elements in a way that appeals to the senses or emotions".


Some seem to believe that all karaoke is art. And I guess it is for them!

Some seem to believe that while karaoke is entertainment, it is not art.

Others can probably pick out individual karaoke performances and label THOSE performances as "art".

Others had suggested in another thread that what athletes do is a work of art, others believe that the definition is being stretched too far:

johnreynolds Post Re: Interesting Read @Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 1:15 pm wrote:
With THAT kind of reasoning then EVERYTHING is an art form. Every job, every performance, and anything that requires your brain to focus. That's general-speak.


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