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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 4:48 pm 
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RE: my comment about active - I use a 15-inch active sub and two SM350s which I can easily lift myself -- and I don't have to cart a huge rack around anymore. I can set up my gear myself (granted, the sub is a bit much to heft but I am able to do it.) Now if I am in a situation where I have to use the SM450s (which ARE heavy) I have to have help to lift them on to the stands. I have never been caught in a situation where I couldn't drive my windstar up, unload it MYSELF in 15 minutes or so and be up and running in another 20 minutes without a heavy rack to push around.

I have a pair of 15-inch Bag Ends and a pair of 15-inch Yamahas as well as my active speakers. Bag Ends are big and an odd shape, don't lend themselves to one person picking them up, but I use them on wind-up stands. 15-inch Yams are easily liftable for this middle-aged woman... Had a pair of 15-inch passive subs which were impossible for me to move around.

Overall, in the interest of moving a lot of heavy gear around, and in the interest of great sound, we opted for active Mackie gear. (BTW, those 10-inch speakers and the sub hold their own in pretty well any room. Most of the time it is a test to keep them turned down enough.)


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:22 pm 
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I’ve gone to shows that use 10s, 12s and active speakers and I have no desire to duplicate that sound. But Thanks for the input.


mrscott I've had my B1520's for almost 3 years too and I love them. You may want to pull the back plate off and replace the zip tie on the coil.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:06 pm 
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jayvan @ Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:22 pm wrote:
I’ve gone to shows that use 10s, 12s and active speakers and I have no desire to duplicate that sound. But Thanks for the input.


mrscott I've had my B1520's for almost 3 years too and I love them. You may want to pull the back plate off and replace the zip tie on the coil.


Thanks for the heads up. Very much appreciated. Haven't even had a screw out of them yet, so it might pay to do some maintenance on them.


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jayvan @ Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:22 pm wrote:
I’ve gone to shows that use 10s, 12s and active speakers and I have no desire to duplicate that sound. But Thanks for the input.

Well I can't agree with you here, your experiences are obviously from shows that either didn't have enough power pushing the speakers, completely cheap components, no subs or crossed over improperly or (and most likely) the host had absolutely no clue how to run sound of any kind or all of the above.
A good 10" or 12" coupled with a sub - crossed over & powered properly CAN sound very killer! Even active speakers as well with people that know what they are doing can sound killer.
I've heard systems using the very S115V that sounded like crap as well. It's just a matter of learning how to power, tune & use your system.

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letitrip @ Tue Jan 26, 2010 6:47 am wrote:
Unfortunately one of the costs of better quality speakers is increased weight. Wood cabinets outperform the composite shells in every experience I've ever had. But yes throwing 60+ pounds up onto a speaker stand is a bear. You could make it a little easier with crank up stands but you still have to get the speakers up over 3 feet onto those. If you have someone to help you put them on the stands, it should be no trouble at all. If you're on your own, just be sure to practice proper lifting technique.



err actually to be honest I just downsized and didnt have to compromise. I went with 12 inch active yorkvilles 550 w per side and more low end than I was used to with my previous 15 in work horses. so I no longer have to lift over 60lb I can lift 19kg 40lb to the stands with relative ease.
Jay test drive them, I wouldnt have believed that such small speakers could have bass response that slaps ya in the chest even when they arent cranked, yet the sound is crystal clear.
I was opening act at 2 dine and dances pre xmas. the main act said my speakers made his rig of 15in tops and 15 in subs sound like a transistor radio

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Lonman @ Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:49 pm wrote:
jayvan @ Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:22 pm wrote:
I’ve gone to shows that use 10s, 12s and active speakers and I have no desire to duplicate that sound. But Thanks for the input.

Well I can't agree with you here, your experiences are obviously from shows that either didn't have enough power pushing the speakers, completely cheap components, no subs or crossed over improperly or (and most likely) the host had absolutely no clue how to run sound of any kind or all of the above.
A good 10" or 12" coupled with a sub - crossed over & powered properly CAN sound very killer! Even active speakers as well with people that know what they are doing can sound killer.
I've heard systems using the very S115V that sounded like crap as well. It's just a matter of learning how to power, tune & use your system.



The KJ’s of the shows I visit are my friends and I wouldn’t say that their sound is crap. I’m just saying I like my system and I’m ok that they like theirs. I just don’t need someone tell me I can’t get nice vocals with 15’s, when I know I do.

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Not steppin on my toes, I agree you can get good vocals out a 15".

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