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that rings a bell, but i cant remember for sure. but even so, if someone tried to sell or rent you access to their system, that would definately be bad, and that sounds like what was happening on eBay. no real difference from selling a loaded drive. in this scenario on the other hand, it is just off site storage of original music instead of a portable drive.

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Then I think your configuration is more along the lines of streaming the output (audio and video) from your disc changer (at home) and your displays/sound system that are distributed around town.

I don't like the term "streaming" for this scenario. "Sending" is more to my liking. Whatever the term is for getting the signal from an on-site player to an on-site TV screen is exactly the same term I would use here since it is functionally the same thing.

-Chris

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Psssst.....................yeah, over here........................Ummm, ..............................that's still streaming.......................but don't tell Chris.

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Funny.....I don't often hear broadcast TV referred to as "streaming".....or radio referred to as streaming.....or cable TV or satellite TV.......and those are all identical in nature to what I propose doing.

-Chris

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You might not "hear it often" but that's exactly what it is. Relabeling Vanilla ice cream to "White ice cream" doesn't change what it is.

In any case, read your discs. Right next to "Unauthorized Copying Prohibited" it should say "Unauthorized BROADCAST prohibited."

And if you are identically doing what "broadcast" TV is, well, then it's broadcasting. (not authorized)

Really surprised that you of all people are debating me on this one, Chip.

It really comes down to the transmission of the content. How the sound and audio gets to the destination is less important than how the source is managed.

I believe I have a viable solution and I am almost willing to run with it and let the powers that be come raise a stink and then defend it. I am looking for some IP attorneys (of which there is no shortage in my area) with which to consult.

-Chris

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Why surprised? It's broadcasting by your own admission and it's not allowed. Ask SC if they don't have a problem with it.

The difference in these two ideas is fairly simple:

You want to "play" the disc at home and share, transmit, broadcast, send, stream etc. to the venue as it's happening in real time.

My method transfers the ENTIRE song at one time BEFORE it is "played" at a venue. The file is not permanently stored on the KJ's machine.

There is a fundamental difference between the two.

You've been discussing an idea I have looked at before.
There are several stumbling blocks.
One of them is number 6 of this section of copyright law.
It has been awhile since I looked at this so my memory has faded, but I believe that the addition of the digital transmission makes things a bit sticky with ASCAP and BMI.

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No, no...he wasn't selling anything on eBay. He created a fake auction of SC discs with a stupid high price simply so he could use the description area as an anti-SC soapbox for how he believed he was being screwed over. In this tirade, he described using such a system. There was a lot of discussion about it at the time...

This method would be far better for a number of reasons. For one, the songs is either there in its entirety, or it isn't. No potential for dropouts, etc.

Again, the distance between the source of the transmission and the display is not something that has ever been limited or questioned. Many of us already use wireless and other means of getting audio/video from a player to a remote display within a club.
Getting the audio/video from a remote location to a club is no different. That is why I don't like the term "streaming" or even "broadcast" because those lend themselves to specific types of technology that do not apply here.

I think the transmission of the file itself would raise eyebrows and is something I considered a long time ago. Basically a digital checkout service. Transfer the file from point a to point b and then back again once it is done playing.

My method uses the original media thus by-passing audits and media-shifting but could be made even simpler using shifted content.

(6) in the case of sound recordings, to perform the copyrighted work pub-
licly by means of a digital audio transmission.

Anyone using HDMI or DVI is doing digital transmission of the video.
Depending on your configuration, you may also be doing digital transmission of the audio.

-Chris

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Transmission/rebroadcast can be defined as a much shorter distance than you can imagine.

If you have a very large club for instance, and you run the jukebox to different areas like indoors to the pool room and outdoors to a patio, some performing rights societies (BMI/ASCAP) will consider that a "re-broadcast" and add a premium to your license fee.

You can't play a movie for example at home and watch the output at a bar on the big screen and then claim it falls under fair use as private in-home because that's where the player is.

oh yeah i remember that guy, wasn't he the one calling Thunder out?

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Yes

Nigel