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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:25 am 
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You're in Seattle, aren't you?? That is like the heart of American music nowadays. That is why you get bothered all the time with this nonsense. If a guy is in a rural area, far removed from the mainstream, there should be no problem with recording performances for customers. I used to go to a place on Long Island that would do that, and they NEVER had trouble over it.

Doesn't make it legal to do. Just because you can get away with breaking the law doesn't mean you should. :roll:

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There was a lawsuit against a bar and kj in Eastern Washington by ASCAP or BMI a while back but that was for using copied discs. A club I worked at in 95 had to shut down all entertainment for two weeks while they worked out a deal which included retro active payments. The club I work at now never thought they needed to pay, but were hounded for 2 years and finally received a letter of intent to sue from ASCAP. They've paid all 3 since 96.


That is not a suit for copied discs, it's a suit for nonpayment of the yearly fees. Performance societies don't care if your discs are copied or not - it's the performance of the work that the bar pays for.


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There was a lawsuit against a bar and kj in Eastern Washington by ASCAP or BMI a while back but that was for using copied discs. A club I worked at in 95 had to shut down all entertainment for two weeks while they worked out a deal which included retro active payments. The club I work at now never thought they needed to pay, but were hounded for 2 years and finally received a letter of intent to sue from ASCAP. They've paid all 3 since 96.


That is not a suit for copied discs, it's a suit for nonpayment of the yearly fees. Performance societies don't care if your discs are copied or not - it's the performance of the work that the bar pays for.

Well they did have 'copied discs' in the verbage. It may have started out as non yearly payment, but that is when the kj got named as well. But I cannot find the stupid link anymore so you can all take it as speculation.

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Smoothedge69 wrote:
You're in Seattle, aren't you?? That is like the heart of American music nowadays. That is why you get bothered all the time with this nonsense. If a guy is in a rural area, far removed from the mainstream, there should be no problem with recording performances for customers. I used to go to a place on Long Island that would do that, and they NEVER had trouble over it.

Doesn't make it legal to do. Just because you can get away with breaking the law doesn't mean you should. :roll:

Haven't you heard?? It's only a crime if you get caught. :mrgreen:

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You could get in trouble if the right entity happened upon it. Especially if your club is not paying their yearly PRO fees (ASCAP/BMI/SESAC), these entities would be the ones that would most likely file a stink - i've seen it done around here which is what made me quit in the first place.


Seen what done? The recording or someone filing "a stink?"

I've never.... EVER.... seen ASCAP or anyone else file any kind of action against a KJ for recording anything, anywhere.

Can you give us at least one example?



Chip, read again. He said IF the proper entity spots you. No one said it has happened, but the liability remains.

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