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Discusman
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 5:16 am |
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Hi everyone,
I'm new to this forum and hope you experts can help me on this one.
My set up:
1) Bose 5 Series (2 Speakers with 1 Subwoofer)
2) Jwin DVD player with 2 microphone inputs
3) SONY Home Threatre Stereo FM/AM Receiver - STRD1011S
4)Radioshack low noise microphone
The speakers were making huge buzzing sound whenever I moved the mircophone or the its cable slightly. And the speaker makes loud noise when I put my mouth too close to the microphone.. I really dont know what cause it ..
I remember when I tried to set up this Bose speakers with my computer before, and I ran into similar problems. I was trying to play some video games on my computer with this speakers. It didnt work.
Someone mentioned about the speakers weren't made for Karaoke, can someone please explain? What options do I have in this case? Thanks in advance.
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mckyj57
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 5:40 am |
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Have you tried a different cable?
Other than that, I doubt you are going to find anyone here who can help. Yours is simply not a setup that lends itself to diagnosis. It is not suitable for real karaoke, so you are going to be pretty much on your own.
Recommend you get a real mixer with a good-quality microphone, and use that.
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Discusman
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 2:34 pm |
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Thanks for your reply.
What type of cable are you talking about? You mean the cable for the speakers or the cable for the microphone?
When you say the real karaoke mixer, do you mean one of these complete karaoke systems?
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mckyj57
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 3:12 pm |
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Discusman @ Sun Apr 27, 2008 5:34 pm wrote: Thanks for your reply.
What type of cable are you talking about? You mean the cable for the speakers or the cable for the microphone?
The mic cable , of course. You stated that the noise changed when you moved it, right? How would flaky speaker cables be affected by that? Quote: When you say the real karaoke mixer, do you mean one of these complete karaoke systems?
Yes, but complete karaoke systems. What we recommend here are complete PA systems -- when you attach some karaoke player (like your DVD or a computer with a player) to them they do become a complete karaoke system.
Perhaps you should back up and examine what you are trying to accomplish. If you want to do some casual karaoke at home, you might be better served by buying a little karaoke machine. If you want to do serious karaoke suitable for having a large party, then you will need something like one of the PA systems at:
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/navigati ... e|0&page=2
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 3:41 am |
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hey Discusman, sorry you have experienced the belittlement I have just seen, I am not a tech but have seen lonnie and others in the know recommend that you dont use home theatre for live vox. The speakers are not set up to deal with it. I am sure Lonman or one of the others with a better attitude will comment at some stage, meantime you could always scroll through the topics and see if you can get an idea from previous topics
Welcome to the forum hope you stick around
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knightshow
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 4:55 am |
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Jeez mckyj57!
Nice 'tude!
Discusman, what you're describing is indeed a loose connection in the mic, or one of it's connections. If you have a microphone that has the abiility to have a different cable swapped out, try that. It could be in the connection to your amp, or the connection to the microphone.
And as Morgan so eloquently pointed out, Home Theater setups aren't equipped to handle live mic (voice speaking, not recorded) very WELL... you will eventually blow speakers.
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 5:06 am |
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Must be having a bad day - normally - mckyj57 - is very helpful...
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 5:35 am |
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except he always slams my winamp! ![LOL LOL](./images/smilies/emot-LOL.gif) !
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 6:04 am |
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The STR D1011s is a vintage receiver with a "true" 120W /channel. Find some speakers at the hock shop 75-100 watt. A 2 or 4 channel mixer is not that expensive and some hock shops have those also. Bicker with them on the price because they didnt pay too much for them. Your problem is because of the large mismatch between amp and speakers. BTW with the right speakers this will blow away most amps rated twice as much.
Here is a Sony TA-AV411s and EQ That I started with and did gigs. It got me started and paid for other stuff. I wouldnt sell it it for all the tea in China. I dont know about the rest of ya I started off with what I could afford. I recorded on the cassette tape deck.
The receiver and 2 tape decks.
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 7:23 am |
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Get a couple of cases of Bud and we will have the neighbors complaining about 2 in the morning. ![LMAO LMAO](./images/smilies/emot-LMAO.gif) LMAO LOL LOL
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Discusman
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 2:00 pm |
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Hey guys,
I just bought a Karaoke Echo & Key Mixer AKM-7017 by Audio 2000's. The problem seems gotten better, but it is still there.
One of my friends has his home Karaoke system set up, he has a pair of JBL speakers with a receiver, mixer. Not too much of difference from what I have.
He doesn't have the microphone noise problem and I will bring my microphone to his place and try to connect to his system. If it makes the same noise problem, then it is definitely the microphone/cable.
I paid $80 for my microphone at radio shock, is it good enough? and why it still give me problems... ?
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 2:04 pm |
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before plugging it into your mates system (he wont thank you if it makes a nasty noise thru his speakers, the nastier the noise the greater the liklihood of doing damage to a speaker) why not borrow a mic cord from him and see if it cures the problem
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 2:29 pm |
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one thing is your mic inputs (since you're using the player with the mic inputs)... it's very testy. A venue I once ran did that, and you wouldn't believe how sensitive (in a bad way) those connections were. Always had to run them low, or you'd get feedback.
I highly suggest for home or pro use, an outside mic amplifier, rather than using the dvd player for microphones. JUST BECAUSE the connections are there, doesn't mean it's really good to do that way!!!
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 2:41 pm |
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MorganLeFey @ 5/4/2008 wrote: before plugging it into your mates system (he wont thank you if it makes a nasty noise thru his speakers, the nastier the noise the greater the liklihood of doing damage to a speaker) why not borrow a mic cord from him and see if it cures the problem
A good idea.. I didn't thought of it. Thanks
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 2:44 pm |
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knightshow @ 5/4/2008 wrote: one thing is your mic inputs (since you're using the player with the mic inputs)... it's very testy. A venue I once ran did that, and you wouldn't believe how sensitive (in a bad way) those connections were. Always had to run them low, or you'd get feedback.
I highly suggest for home or pro use, an outside mic amplifier, rather than using the dvd player for microphones. JUST BECAUSE the connections are there, doesn't mean it's really good to do that way!!!
My mixer comes with two microphone inputs. The mixer seems very professional and it has several features/functions.
Are you suggesting me not to plug my microphone into the mixer and get a external microphone amp? What is a microphone amp anyway?
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 5:11 pm |
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knightshow @ Sun May 04, 2008 8:35 am wrote: except he always slams my winamp! ![LOL LOL](./images/smilies/emot-LOL.gif) !
I don't slam Winamp -- I claim that Winamp controller applications are fragile.
I like and use Winamp. Used by itself, it is great. It is very usable for home karaoke, or for running a karaoke show provided you can handle the barebones approach.
In combination with Sax & Dotties and AutoKDJ I find it to be very troubleprone, because of Winamp not opening up in a consistent state depending on how the programs are started and terminated.
That is not to say it cannot be used reliably. But having visited well over a hundred different karaoke shows, I have seen a lot of Sax & Dotties installations. In many of them, the key changer was not working. In another, there were frequent crashes of Winamp. In yet another, the host could never keep the lyrics display window working from outing to outing.
With AutoKDJ, it changes the way the key changer (Pacemaker) works. It is no longer usable by itself -- you have to uninstall AutoKDJ for Pacemaker to work properly again.
In both AutoKDJ and Sax & Dotties, you can have the key change appear to be set and not actually be in force. This is because there appears to be no way for a program to read the state of Pacemaker. (I assume if there was such a facility the applications would beep and say "key changer not working".)
If people didn't constantly have these problems, observed not only in multiple cases firsthand but from posts on this board as well as OurDJTalk, then it wouldn't come up. But they have the problems, so it comes up. I am far from alone in seeing these things.
In contrast, I have never seen these issues with the two all-in-one player solutions I am familiar with, CompuHost and MTU Hoster.
For home use -- I say use Winamp. It will work great, and it only costs $50.00 (presuming you register and buy all the plugins like I did).
For a pro show, when you combine all-in-one reliability with the features of CompuHost, I find it to be a no-brainer for a professional show. The extra $130.00 is well spent, and the promo trailer alone will pay for that difference in a few shows.
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knightshow
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 5:55 am |
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my winamp is 2.8x and wasn't for sale, nor were the plugins. I downloaded them from the winamp site at the time I got them, after trying shareware versions.
I don't use any other hosting programs. WINAMP by ITSELF is just FINE, even for a PRO show. You keep mentioning these other programs... I DON'T USE THEM!!
So you may be absolutely right... it MAY be fragile, when you go using other programs for it... but THAT's not MY experience...
I've been running winamp for many years, and never had a problem I didn't CREATE! ![lol lol](./images/smilies/emot-LOL.gif)
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 9:46 am |
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I'm with you Matt I still use and still send 2.8 and plugins to others
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I read each post, FINALLY someone mentioned feedback, ![lol lol](./images/smilies/emot-LOL.gif) , which is an issue all it's own. Seems to me the only way to check your system is to troubleshoot each component and find what's not working properly. Then after some tweaking you should be able to get some decent sound.
Check the sound with only music, no mics connected. Adjust tone controls and EQ to see how it all sounds. Then add your mics at low levels and see if this adds distortion. You'll then have to adjust the EQ to eliminate feedback which seems to be a problem as well. Keep the mic a couple inches away from your mouth and NEVER cover the mic with your hands. Keep a good distance and preferably direct the mic away from your speakers. Try a new mic cable.
Also check all your wiring. More bass equals more feedback, if you can seperate the mics from the music you'll be doing wonders to clean up the sound.
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