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Hi Chris.
Ok I have a problem with microsoft.
I don't think you can answer it.

Right my dislikes.
The windows certificate of authenticity used to be plastic covered.
i.e. you could read it.
They stopped that a long time ago.
Now when you get wiped out by a virus you cant reinstall windows because the COA can no longer be read.
If you had one of the older windows that were plastic covered,
you had the serial number to install windows.
Fantastic. Except...
You never got a disk to install it with.
So. Whichever way Microsoft has screwed you.
They have screwed you.

I have downloaded all my windows installations on the torrent sites.
Infact was the only way to get them.
Now I can install windows on up to 30 laptops using the same serial number.
The laptops own serial number can not be read.
I accuse Microsoft of being a business to corporates
but the scourge of humanity.
They are fully aware that people are stealing from them.
But have wiped out ligitimate users also by their mode of operations.
Gates is now giving away billions.
Is it through Guilt?
Bloody ought to be.
Like I have said and have done before.
I will send to anyone a disc of the operating system they need and a COA if they need it. No crack. You must have an unreadable coa
I think Chris may do the same if not restrained.

A common problem..

I just recieved the HP restore disks for a xw4400 workstation..

$10.00 USD

Most of the Dells install without any COA..

Some IBMs, and some HPs..

If you have the restore disk..

wow!

when will the crybabies stop?

when they stopped putting plastic on the liscense key's i started putting clear packing tape over mine to protect them.

only took me 2 mins to cover it, and i already had the packing tape so it was really no cost to me either.

and if you create your restore cd's when you purchase your system, you don't even need the liscense key sticker, other then proof you own a legit copy of windows.

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Yep

Explain to me why Microsoft and the mfr would make someone perform a long and unreliable process, with materials they may not possess by default, instead of supplying a 25 cent disk? A process, by the way, which should be easy to make downloadable but which they don't.

Sounds to me like you are accusing the victim.

I don't really use Windows, but have purchased scores of copies of it. Then when I needed to recreate it on a system I had paid for, but which had never used? The manufacturer would no longer make the disk available. And hadn't supplied one to begin with, even though I had been charged for the OS.

Microsoft got sued by the government. I don't normally like stuff like that, but I felt it was warranted in their case. They were and are heavy-handed, and their stock's plummet to earth over the next few years will probably not cause tears in many of their customers.

That being said, I believe Microsoft is a good company and produces some good products. But their operating systems practices and procedures are nasty and not customer-friendly.

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-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

I get your point about Microsoft but why make this personal and at Chris?.

we all know very well his offer was for people experiencing other types of problems , it seemed to me a genuine offer from someone trying to be nice.

This place can come across as hostile and this to me seems a bit like punching the good Samaritan because of the company he works for.

Yes i get all those points jerry i have burned restore discs because they were not supplied with one (fujitsu siemens) Laptop and it was a pain in the bottom and yes i have had the odd sticker mess up.

I am guessing this was a bit of banter and light jibe .
I hope Chris is not put off from helping members here though as i am sure his wealth of knowledge will be of more help to members rather than sly dig at Microsoft using him personally as the sounding board.

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At Chris?
What are you on?
Chris will help people with MS products.
I will help with disks and COA's.

Rob. Please don't think I was having a go at you.
I was not.
I was certainly not having a go at Chris.
Chris is not microsoft, he just works there.
I was having a go at what I think is an unethical behaviour by microsoft.
If it was to save a few $ I could understand it.
Sadly the reason is far more ruthless.
I see the consequences of it all the time in my day job.

IMHO

I just wrote the micro soft numbers right scross the front of my monitor and on the back of my laptop in BIG BOLD letters and numbers....but i could use a copy of windows 7. Cant read that number any more. :c( hopefully the hard drive in that one won't crash on me.

Fry's Electronics has the Windows 7 "Builder" OEM disc on sale today for $99.00 both the 32 bit and 64 bit disc enclosed..

I bought the Windows "Family Three Pack" from Staples for $109.00

With tax, it scopes out around $40.00 per install.. (Upgrade only, 32 bit only)

I'm posting this from my Windows 8 machine.. (Developer Build)

Intel inside baby.. (i5, 4 gig ram, Western Digital Black 1 TB disc, and 1 gig video..

Some toys I received for Christmas..

It's faster than my Windows 98 machine..

I also installed Windows 8.
I have much lower spec. T60, but it is still faster than I am used to.
Ok it was an upgrade on xp pro.
It wiped out every program I had.
No audio driver and others.
Warned me it was not reversible.
There are things I don't like but the speed increase is very noticeable.
I would like to see it on a clean install.

I have several T60s..

I would never try to install even win 7..

Kick loose from those Euros..

You are correct. Problems get solved. Questions are answered. Of which you only have one. See Below.



First - "lrn 2 compewtr". If you are doing the right things you should never get a virus and never have to re-install.
Second - Incorrect. You can't reinstall Windows because you didn't take the proper precautions to write down and store a copy of the COA information in a safe place. I make copies of keys for my car, my house, and the keys to install Windows. Pretty simple stuff.



You are referring to OEM versions of Windows. Those are licensed to the OEM's (Dell, HP, Gateway, etc). They are the party you need to speak to about discs, not Microsoft. They are also the front-line support for support issues. Microsoft hasn't "screwed" anyone. In fact, you get a better deal on the software because the OEM bought it in bulk at a reduced price and passed that savings on to you.



Really? I am not a lawyer, nor am I the license police, but "I have downloaded all my windows installations on the torrent sites." is something that is hard for me to just ignore. It is also just plain stupid. You are telling a Microsoft employee that you have pirated all of your Windows installations from Torrent sites. Just think about what you typed for a moment. I don't know where you work, but I don't imagine me publically stating that I steal from you would sit well.



That is a clear violation of the license agreement unless you have an SA, an EA, or other agreement with Microsoft.

Regardless of that, I am now confused because you stated that you did not have a license key from the COA because it was not covered in plastic so you could not re-install. Not you are saying that you do have a key, but don't have a disc, but you grabbed Windows from a pirate torrent feed and now can use that pirated version of Windows on 30 systems. So at minimum you have stolen about $3000 at retail prices if using the the Home versions and up to $9000 if using premium version of Windows.



We are a business to corprates. We service many corporationsand entities worldwide.
As for the sourge of humanity.....pick up a newspaper or listen to the evening news.



....as is the IRS, as is every retail store, as is karaoke industry. All of which have systems of recovery in place.



I would really like to hear from the masses of "legitimate users" that have been wiped out by Microsoft. Seriously, round up 10 (ten) of them and get back to me.



Ask Bill - billg"at"microsoft.com



Please send one to:

Microsoft
c/o Corporate and Legal Affairs
One Microsoft Way
Redmond, WA
98053

Please be sure to include a return address so we can get back in touch with you with some lovely parting gifts.



As I noted in the thread that started. If anyone is having an issue with a Microsoft product, please let me know. If you have lost your RETAIL CD Key or RETAIL Windows Installation disk, please let me know.

If you have an OEM computer with an OEM version of Windows (or any other Microsoft product), contact the OEM for questions and support.

I am more than willing to help those that actually ask for help.


-Chris

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The Backup and Restore process has actually been very simple and reliable since Windows Vista. For those still using XP or earlier I only have one thing to say - It is now 2012.

Take that 25 cent disc (I believe it is actually less than that) and multiply that by the number of installed Windows instances and it isn't cheap any longer.

-Chris

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I would rather you not. You are doing way more harm than good.

-Chris

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But you have to do it, don't you? What if I don't choose to boot my copy of Windows? I never do, you know. But I would like the ability to use it if the occasion occurs. (Which it does for me every so often, mostly when I want to give an old machine away to someone.)

Don't tailor your playing field and tell me how friendly it is -- if only I step on it. Look out for the alligators.

It would happily be supplied by the vendor -- if Microsoft allowed it. So would the vendor happily allow their customers to download an image -- if Microsoft allowed it.

It is a transparent ploy to avoid allowing people to re-use old computers and copies of operating systems -- even ones sold with that computer. I know what they are doing. It's legal. But I don't have to like it, and I can certainly tell people who would otherwise not realize what Microsoft is doing. And certainly don't do all that and expect me to sob wildly in empathy when you start wailing about piracy.

Of course this is nothing personal toward you. I don't mean to try and patronize. But Microsoft wants to have its cake and eat it too. People figure it out eventually, they don't like it, and they don't cooperate with it. It is just another reason most people don't shed any tears for the manufacturers. If Microsoft bent over backwards to make it easy for me to legally use their stuff -- that would make a difference to me. I do virtually no piracy, but I don't take time out my day to tell people why they shouldn't pirate MS products, either.

I personally think that the content providers would do well to start a "nice guy" policy. Make it easy for people to download and share things they own. Let someone buy a title and put it in a master registry. Make karaoke tracks available easily. Make it easy for people to pay and get what they pay for. It couldn't hurt -- they aren't doing all that well right now.

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Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

I got all the discs with my dell, and my gateway and lenovo for that matter. if the discs are not with your computer, blame the comp manu for not giving them to you, not microsoft.

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I agree, Microsoft can't be blame for that

Wow...
That pretty much say's it all.