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Bazza
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:01 am |
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From the Latshaw Facebook Page: Latshaw Systems wrote: It's with great regret that I have to announce that due to the completely unfair practices of the music publishers in this country, the iCroons.com project will have to be abandoned indefinitey. We tried to play fair and offer KJs a simply source for legally purchasing and downloading MP3+G content, but evidently, even linking to sites in other countries is something that will invite a lawsuit.
You KJs need to really understand how absolutely ruthless the music publishers are in this country. They are the reason that Sound Choice can't offer downloads and had to sell out their catalog to the karaoke channel in Canada, the reason why Digitrax can only offer music rentals, and the reason why over in the UK they're doing so well because they don't have the level of greed and complexity that exists with publishers in this country.
That being said, although I can't legally promote piracy, I can give an opinion on the matter, and that opinion is that until the music publishers of this country play on a level playing field, I personally have no problem with the thought of KJs downloading millions of karaoke songs for free every day. Why wouldn't they? It's the easiest route and the music publishers frankly deserve it for their lack of vision and their lack of caring about the people who would want to legally purchase their content here in the U.S., and they refuse to offer a simplified system like they have over in the U.K.. I don't have the resources to influence congressmen or fight them in court. In fact, the entire American karaoke industry combined doesn't have the resources. All I can do is to inform you KJs of what the situation really is and let you decide for yourselves. WOW.
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kjathena
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:14 am |
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I hope that everyone REALLY pays attention to the reasons Latshaw gives for US manus not being able to sell downloads and why Digitrax is going to "rent" the music.
Athena
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Bazza
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:22 am |
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It's pretty obvious the man is p!ssed off!
And rightfully so.
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kjathena
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:43 am |
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yes it is obvious he is ticked...He is also trying to grow his business and being hampered by the way the laws are written he in the USA. I feel for him and all the US manus (of any karaoke product). Others have tried to explain why domestic manufactures CAN NOT offer products in the same way they do in the UK for quite some time....I think he gets the point across very well.
Athena
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stogie
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:08 am |
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Good on ya Bob Latshaw!!!
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BT Magic
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:33 am |
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Here is a prime example of the same greed that hampers commerce in the U.S. while creating opportunities in other countries. No wonder our economy is so screwed up.
I applaud your efforts, Mr. Latshaw. I hope the situation changes.
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KaraokeIan
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:47 am |
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Evidently, the situation has changed according to their latest post. It would seem the publishers have finally caved on the download rules in the U.S. It's about time. It only took them how many years?
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kjathena
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:10 am |
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YESyipee ...now if the overseas manus were to buy the same licences then overseas downloads would be legal as well.
OK time to update...Digitrax has just stated domestic downloading licences are NOT available...I think Latshaw may have misunderstood.
Athena
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Brian A
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:30 am |
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KaraokeIan wrote: Evidently, the situation has changed according to their latest post. It would seem the publishers have finally caved on the download rules in the U.S. It's about time. It only took them how many years? ?? Can you please share us the link for their latest post. Inquiring minds want to know.
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Bazza
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:04 am |
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Brian A wrote: ?? Can you please share us the link for their latest post. Inquiring minds want to know. It is all on their Facebook page. Become a member of Facebook and "Like" Latshaw Systems. Latshaw Systems wrote: An update to the previous post. I just got off a 3 way phone call with representatives of karaoke.com (also here in Baltimore) and Digitrax (karaoke cloud). I don't know if it's timing or pure coincidence, but the evidently the American publishers have finally caved on their downloading rules. I was called to be informed that Digitrax will be offering MP3+G downloads (not rentals) and now has the legal authority to do so, and they will be carrying content from Amercian karaoke producers as early as next month when their site goes live.
However, because of the fact that the music publishers have different contracts in each country, the concept of iCroons and a single one stop portal to connect you to all the different sites around the world would still be a legal liability for us, so instead of integrating just an American site's catalog into Karma, we will stick with our current model of having web links to all of them so users can "shop" different sites and decide for themselves.
I can't emphasize enough that this is good news, and that my point about a little rebellion being a good thing still holds true. The pirates, combined with other countries leading the way have forced the American publishers hand and this is a good thing. I've already been invited to speak again at the next karaoke summit in Las Vegas and I will still push for making the KJs job easier and still push for the legal right to offer something like iCroons that can combine different countries offerings.
We are making progress, and the future of karaoke is bright. Stay tuned, and we'll keep you posted. Hey Alan! You see that? Looks like your "Cloud Wish" will come true!
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kjathena
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:02 pm |
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No he pulled it down....said it went "viral"
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Bazza
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:18 pm |
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kjathena wrote: No he pulled it down....said it went "viral" I thought "going viral" was a good thing.
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Lonman
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:26 pm |
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Bazza wrote: kjathena wrote: No he pulled it down....said it went "viral" I thought "going viral" was a good thing. If it's the wrong info I guess not.
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Bazza
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:29 pm |
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Lonman wrote: If it's the wrong info I guess not. He only deleted the original post...the rant. Not the last one regarding downloads.
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Lonman
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:34 pm |
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Ah didn't see the one that went viral.
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kjathena
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:42 pm |
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watch his page for the update to be removed as Digitrax has said he misunderstood something and NO download licence is available for US use. The original rant post is available on the "other forum"
Athena
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Bazza
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:43 pm |
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kjathena wrote: watch his page for the update to be removed as Digitrax has said he misunderstood something and NO download licence is available for US use. The original rant post is available on the "other forum"
Athena No need to go elsewhere. Its in post #1 above.
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Smoothedge69
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:57 pm |
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Well something has to be done to change the laws. Karaoke CAN'T go on the way it is. It HAS to modernize. It has to go with the times and the technology. Otherwise, it will be dead one day. Renting karaoke, for many, will not be an acceptable option. I know I am one of those.
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kjathena
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:08 pm |
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Smoothedge69,
I agree...renting music is not for me either. The problem that remains is that the producers will not allow licencing for downloads in this country. If one good thing came from Latshaw's rant it was to explain that the domestic producers have been UNABLE to offer downloads.
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Smoothedge69
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:20 pm |
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kjathena wrote: Smoothedge69,
I agree...renting music is not for me either. The problem that remains is that the producers will not allow licencing for downloads in this country. If one good thing came from Latshaw's rant it was to explain that the domestic producers have been UNABLE to offer downloads. There will have to be a new delivery system if it is the intention of the music industry to do away with CDs. When you think about it, how frigging stupid are the laws?? Downloading music is legal. Downloading video is legal. Downloading Karaoke, which is a combination, basically, of music and video is not legal. Does anybody else here, besides me, realize how ridiculous that is??
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