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has anyone heard of a grandfather clause? Soundchoice paid the licensing for the GEM series BEFORE the rules changed. that means that they will always be legal to use, and there isn't a darned thing the publishers can do to change that fact.

that means that no one who is currently using the Gem series will loose anything.

You may not agree with the method, but that doesn't change the FACTS

-james

And here is some food for thought: Why should people who wish to perpetuate the karaoke show "industry" in the future be handcuffed by potentially not having certain music choices available to them? It is easy to gripe about how "I used to walk to school and back with no shoes in 3 feet of snow uphill both ways" instead of recognizing the blessings of having more efficient modes of travel. If the industry is to continue, there should be efforts made to preserve it, and if certain aspects that the business has grown accustomed to having over these 20+ years cease to happen, the decline will continue. Yes, it would have been great if the digital age had begun at the beginning of this industry, since the entertainment side of this lends itself to the relative ease of operation it provides, but since it was not, the transition must occur. I would hate to think that the posterity of any one karaoke track was dependant upon rapidly degradable plastic discs........

Not necessarily trying to shoot holes in your theory, but if that was their motivation, doesn't it seem logical that they would have gone ahead and produced their ENTIRE library in this manner? (I guess this is presuming they HAVEN'T, unless they are saving it for Round 2 of their sinister plan...)

If modern corporations and governments had the best interests of the public in mind everything else would take care of itself, but insatiable greed and corruption take over and what's good for John Q Public gets taken off the planning, design and implementation lists. The idea of running an ethical business that takes care to do right by it's customers is a foreign concept today which is odd because if a product or service is priced fairly and satisfies the customer's needs, then the company will be successful anyways.

If you really think our government is concerned about the citizens of this nation then take another look around and think real hard about what is happening in this country.

If the cloud is really a good thing for consumers, then it will do what it does to the benefit of consumers. But think about how much you're spending on cell phone service and cable now. Think about how fewer and fewer companies are now providing cell phone and cable service. Think about what will be available to consumers in five years, in ten years, etc. Now think about "the cloud" and how it will slowly become a monopoly comprised of fewer and fewer megacorporations, owned by a few wealthy individuals or groups.

There's a name for all of this-oligarchy, monopoly and plutocracy. This is what we have now and they are working to consolidate their control over the economies of the world, all of the governments of the world and over YOU.

It's just like many diseases. They creep slowly and almost imperceptibly until all of a sudden, one day you notice you're very sick and you don't know how you got that way.

The cloud is part of this creeping centralized control over you and every aspect of your life. Go back and read 1984 by George Orwell and the Animal Farm.

What this country was founded upon are the principles of freedom of choice and personal liberty. What we're moving towards is freedom from choice and freedom from thought and freedom from having to make decisions. What THEY want is armies of drones - docile, zombielike consumers who will do whatever they are told to do by the media and who will be easy to control because they earn so little that they are dependent on the government. The constitution which was carefully crafted by the founding fathers to protect the rights of the people against tyranny is being used as toilet paper by the elite and powerful who control the government and the large corporations.

Don't shoot the messenger if you don't like my message - go do your own research and find out what's really going on right under our noses. Endless wars, people being fed pills and drugs instead of clean, wholesome foods that prevent and don't trigger most diseases in the first place. Grocery stores full of processed junk almost totally devoid of nutritional value and full of chemicals. Poisonous chemicals in the air, water and food.

Radiation is being released into the ocean and into the air -Fukushima- the biggest nuclear disaster in history. Do you hear much about it? It's far worse than Chernobyl. Radioactive tuna has already made it's way across the ocean from the Japan area. At least one nuclear reactor totally melted down-ever heard of the china syndrome? and the spent radiation pools that hold the tons and tons of still hot radioactive spent fuel rods could explode and spread more radioactive material far and wide. Tokyo prefecture is part of the world's most populous metropolitan area with upwards of 35 million people situated only about 150 miles from Fukushima.

How many nuclear power plants are there in the US? The news media wants you to believe that nuclear power plants are safe-think again-everyone thought the Fukushima power plants were safe. Now all 52 nuclear power plants in Japan are shut down. How much do you think it cost to build them? How much do you think it will cost to shut them down completely?

Uranium 235 has a half life of 704 MILLION years-Plutonium which is one of the deadliest substances on earth has a half life of 80 MILLION years. So all we need is one MAJOR "incident" for a large portion of the entire planet to be polluted for millions of years. Still think nuclear power generation is safe? There is no safe place to store radioactive nuclear waste which will stay radioactive for at least hundreds of thousands of years and certain isotopes will stay radioactive for millions upon millions of years-but it's perfectly safe-nothing to worry about folks-move along-nothing to see here-WE'LL TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING FOR YOU.

This is where we are today thanks to the brilliant and benevolent people who are running things. What I've just said is the tip of the iceberg, there's much much more . . .

"Don't worry" says the man behind the curtain, "the great and powerful Oz knows all and can do anything". "The cloud is good, the cloud is your friend, trust the cloud".

Outstanding! Informative and true! Eloquently written. Unfortunately many will not get it because their heads are in the clouds.

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Most won't get it because they believe everything the television tells them to believe. They're too busy sitting in front of the dumb box rooting for their favorite sports team while munching away on junk food that is killing them. They're dumbed down from all the sugar and chemicals they're eating.

That's why so many people have diabetes and cancer in our industrialized "civilized" societies. What we eat has a whole lot to do with our health and how we feel and our ability to to think. Disease doesn't just happen and appear out of nowhere from mysterious causes. Most modern disease is cause by what we eat and what has polluted our environment. Primitive people who eat a raw food diet consisting primarily of raw fruits and vegetables are not obese and they don't get cancer. they don't drink diet soda with aspartame, they don't eat large quantities of refined sugar and they don't eat meat that has been injected with hormones, antibiotics and who knows what else?

We have gone astray and despite technological advancements, human society and consciousness is declining, not advancing.

Through the media there is a lot being fed to the unwashed masses who don't seem to be able to discriminate between truth and lies or deception. The media is being used to distract people from what's really happening and from their economic despair. It's being used to manipulate people into thinking that there is some sort of democratic process going on and that they have some say and control over who is elected and that the politicians represent them which is clearly not the case. Most politicians are bought and paid for by corporations and special interest groups with a lot of money.

The medical profession has been corrupted by profit as well, but that's whole other long story.

The problem is, the human specie is the stupidist on the planet. Most people can't think for themselves and get suckered in by what's being sold to them or the mis-information of their friends. Case in point:

Beta was the superior format to VHS, HD DVD was the superior format to Blu-Ray, and we could go on and on. They lost out to the inferior format because of the ignorance and stupidity of the public, believing the marketing geniuses who new how to promote and sell these items.

Most people will not do any research on a product or what's best for them, instead they play follow the leader. They'll ask their friends: "what do you have? Oh, VHS...OK I'll get that too!" And before you know it, everyone using the inferior product because they bought in to all the marketing hype or the mis-information of their friends. Never taking the time to make their own decision.

And so enter the Cloud. File storage, or file hosting, or file sharing websites have been around for many years. This is nothing new. But now, let's repackage it, re-name it, and tell everyone that this is the light! You need this, this will be your savior. THIS is the Cloud! And of course, you will have the followers, the believers.

Through out the years, file hosting websites have been there. The difference was, you weren't told you must use it. If you wanted to you could otherwise, life goes on and you do what you do. You were given the option.

But ladies and gentleman, enter the Cloud. It's our way or no way. You want new music each month, subscribe. Wow.

People, wake up and smell the coffee. Be a leader, not a follower. Think outside the box and don't fall for all the marketing hype. It's not for your benifit, believe me.

I was told that the only way I can get a High Def picture was with Cable or DirecTV. But you know what, I do just fine receiving 37 OTA HD channels with nothing more than my roof top antenna. And it's better reception than cable (who compress their signal). And it saves me about $100 a month. I supplement that with HuluPlus and I'm all set to go. Yet, the cable or Satelite industries want you to believe you need them.

Yes, new technology can be a good thing if done right and for the good of the people. The problem is, it's never about the people, now is it?

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sorry, glitch

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Bazza...please do not speak for Chip. You do not have that authority or that privilege.

Thank you.

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Refusal to adapt to technology.

Watch this videohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB-HZG1Zh7s&feature=g-vrec and pay attention. This guy was telling the truth.

No one could have said it any better. And he's absolutely 100% correct.

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He was brilliant and had a wonderful way of making his point very clearly. I'm impressed Alan. I've had similar discussions on other chat boards and posted many links to interesting and informative information and you're one of the only ones-maybe the only one- who has EVER bothered to take a moment and find out what was at the other end of the link I posted.

People need to wake up and smell the coffee. Some think that they have it pretty good and the rest of the dumb people out there have what they deserve. Then THEY meet some unforseen misfortune and also become one of the poor, dumb, suffering masses and they find out what it's like.

Slowly the middle class is being destroyed and there will eventually there will only be the 1% of those that have the wealth and power and the 99% that are dependent on and controlled by the 1%.

The best comedian ever!! He told it like it is, and added humor to bring it all together. I miss him very much.

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As do I. A brilliant comedic mind.

1) You are completely wrong, and that's a fact. Use the cloud and whatever you have stored in your PC is scanned- same with Facebook. Are you saying it isn't? Still, and AGAIN- if the PC is strictly for song storage and hosting with no business or personal info on it, I SEE NO PROBLEM.

2) So you are saying that when everyone was exposed to the use of lappies as the hosting tool ( that virtually everyone had in their homes), and online MP3s ( cheap or stealable) as a music source, it had no effect? SERIOUSLY? Damn near quadrupled piracy overnight, first of all. Then, with the economy crapped since 2008, and people looking for a cheap way to make an income, they didn't have to look any further than their own home laptop. Add a couple of speakers, a mic and a monitor, and instant karaoke business ( low quality not withstanding). You say no effect? You say this didn't happen? I say denial, and defense of one's own practices, which had the effect of KJs shooting their own businesses in the foot.

On the other hand, you are correct in regard to the mfrs. not keeping up with technology as well. They had opportunities to protect their tracks YEARS AGO, but didn't bother. Softjock Rick offered a system, and I know Toqer did, as well as several others. They couldn't be bothered.... The mfrs. shot themselves in the foot as well....

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Joe - Your statement above is the very definition of FUD. Your ignorance on this subject only perpetuates the mis-conceptions about how it works and frankly is irresponsible. If you are going to comment on cloud services, you need to educate yourself.

Facebook does not "scan" your system. Neither does any other *typical* cloud based service. Legitimate companies are *NOT* scanning the contents of your drives for anything (Carbonite would be an exception because they are a data backup company *but* the end-user knows this and signs up for it. The end-user controls access).

A web based service like Facebook can not reach into your computer and take anything out of it. With the exception of cookies, Facebook has no access to anything on your local system unless the end user uploads to Facebook. The same applies to *ALL* other legitimate cloud based services.

Of course laptops/MP3's/Ripping had an impact on the Karaoke business. Any time technology simplifies or makes things more efficient, it will have a significant impact. The by-product was that it also made piracy easier. The difference here is that every other industry that was impacted by computerized piracy has adapted - movies, music, software - they have all found ways to survive. The karaoke industry ignored or at the very least did not understand the impact computerization would have and it has bitten them in the (@$%&#!).....hard.

Not to long ago, karaoke companies distributed Discs as the primary revenue stream with MP3+G downloads as a secondary revenue stream. I would be willing to wager that Tricerasaoft, KaraokeVersion, Selecta-Track, Sunfly, and every other producer of karaoke music that distributes MP3+G is doing more sales for MP3+G than in disc format no and discs have become the secondary revenue stream.

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WOW. This has reached the point of "crazy talk" again. Once again Joe, you are making claims and acting the expert about things with which you obviously, by your own comments, have ZERO knowledge about. Facebook and cloud apps have access to everything on your PC?

Yes Joe. I am ABSOLUTELY, without a doubt as a 15 year employee of a software company and MCSE/MCT, saying, YES IT IS NOT. Cloud based applications like iCloud, Amazon, Gmail, etc, are not scanning your PC. Facebook isn't either and is not automatically, maliciously, clandestinely, without user-directed intervention scanning "everything on your PC".

But, keep talking Joe, the hole is getting deeper! You say "That's a fact". Well then, show us the facts. I cannot prove things are not happening. It is up to you to show us they are. You also refer to "The Cloud" as a product. Cloud computing is a concept. Who's Cloud? What Cloud App is scanning my PC? Evidence?

This is so broad and generic, it's like saying "It's a fact that machines are reading our minds!". Well, which ones? Who's? How?

Please proceed to explain.

You really should read a little before you continue spouting off: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing



Loaded question. I never said any of those things.

When did you stop beating your wife? <--- An example of a loaded question.



Yes. That's exactly what I DID say. Thank you for saying it again.




You aren't kidding. Sheesh!

@chris and bazza you have to remember that Joe is a Luddite and a survivalist and probably didn't really start using computers until this century, unlike the rest of us who have been using them since (giving my age away) the late 70's.

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