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I actually agree with Angel that music or any art can have an influence. I just don't agree with jumping into stereotypes or censoring. It is never cut and dried as to if the music is leading or following a particular lifestyle or experience. I would rather fight a bad influence with a good influence or as they say, "education vs. legislation than jump into censoring or condemning people by what mucis they preferred.

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Anybody can do something stupid. Sometimes you spend your life living it down. With my background, I know lots of great people with tattoos. (I know some who wish they hadn't gotten them, too.)

That being said, when you get a tattoo you are trying to say something. So you said it -- and then you expect someone to interpret it the way you want it interpreted? A tattoo under normally-clothed area? I wouldn't do it, but it isn't the kind of thing that anyone is going to know about in normal everyday life.

A tattoo that can't be hidden? Now that says something completely different to me. It says, "in your face, society". (Or parents, if it is a young person.) You may mean it to say something else, but deep down if you get one you know that is the message.

If you want to say something like that, fine. But don't expect people to think "oh, they must be just a normal everyday person underneath that message". Perhaps tattoos will become that prosaic some day, but they aren't right now.

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Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

The subject is adult language at karaoke. The language in music is the major factor in this entire conversation. The language is used to describe the offensive subject matter and lifestyles. Rap muisc is part of that. So i guess that makes me a troll. If you don't want to hear any serious different answers or opinions why was the question even asked. Only trolls would ask a question and not want to hear anything opposing. According to the definition just printed. Ney sayers and disbelievers with only their opinion being right. Anything else is blasphemy.

Well, now I think I've heard it all, next I'm expecting someone to say "if you play this certain song backwards, it says the sky is falling." What hogwash, I don't care what music people listen to, THEY'RE the ones responsible for their actions, NOT THE MUSIC. Or maybe there are subliminal messages between the words on a gangsta rap recording saying "do drugs, do a drive-by shooting." By the way Angel, does your nextdoor neighbor have a dog named Sam?

Rosario
Serenity Now Karaoke

It just reminds me of trying to explain ballistics and going through the Zapruder film, frame by frame, explaining exactly what is going on and showing why a second gunman (or person) is impossible, then they say no, it can't be. Anyone remember those evil Brits called "The Beatles" who were going to destroy civilization with their "Devil's Music". Yeah a very small percentage will imitate but that happens also with other forms of entertainment too. Shall we ban "Bugs Bunny" because a kid thinks they can fall off a cliff without being injured?

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Easy now Rosario... you're aging yourself.... Ducking for cover.
Actually, I moved into the area of his last victim a few weeks after it happened.

Isn't the dog's name, Stains?

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Yeah Cueball, I seem to be doing that an awful lot lately on this forum, because the subject matter reminds me of ALL the things people were warning their children about when I was growing up. The Beatles with the messages in between the tracks, or the famous "number9, the walrus is dead" if you played the album backwards. Some of the statements made just reminded me of all the scare tactics, and propaganda that certain groups would use to try and make people conform to the RIGHT way to live. So, yes, I guess I'm old, but I still know a bunch of Bull**** when I hear it. Timberlea, the dogs name was Sam, and if it's any consolation, my girlfriend had no idea what that is a reference to either.

Rosario

"The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority, they show disrespect to their elders.... They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and are tyrants over their teachers." --Aristophanes

"What is happening to our young people? They disrespect their elders, they disobey their parents. They ignore the law. They riot in the streets inflamed with wild notions. Their morals are decaying. What is to become of them?" --Plato

"I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond words... When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly disrespectful and impatient of restraint" --Hesiod, 8th century BC

"The world is passing through troublous times. The young people of today think of nothing but themselves. They have no reverence for parents or old age. They are impatient of all restraint. They talk as if they knew everything, and what passes for wisdom with us is
foolishness with them. As for the girls, they are forward, immodest and unladylike in speech, behavior and dress." --Peter the Hermit 1274 AD

Grumpy old folks have been complaining about kids for 4000 years or so, and they haven't come up with anything NEW yet!

Hopefully I won't be that rigid and inflexible until rigor mortis sets in!

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I think that in a way Angel may wondering why anyone enjoys listening to vulgarities, and also why is it that some people enjoy singing them? Music survived thousands of years without the TYPE of vulgarities being experienced today.

IMHO it's one thing to sing about a piece of (@$%&#!) car or Barnacle Bill, and another to croon about fu///ng her gently. Of course, some people may find all three to be offensive. Personally, I find the first two humorous. The last one is intimate, shocking, exploitative and titillating! In short vulgar

And while everyone seems to be in agreement that our children should be spared vulgarities, until what age should such censorship last? And why is it that some people want to spare children from hearing vulgarities?

And there are those who want to spare children from vulgarities but not me. why does anyone believe that I don't have the right to be spared, if I so desire? Some feel that i should be spared but to accomplish that I should stay home if I don't want to be disrespected!

and out of curiosity, Cueball, why do you sing Barnacle Bill The Sailor?

For the humor of it. As I said before, it is a very vulgar song, yet, it's a song that somehow makes most of us laugh... some for the language content, some for the memories of singing it in the street when we were 7 years old, and didn't know any better. Also, those long drawn out "Welllllllll" gives the audience some anticipation of "OMG, what is the response going to be now?" and they they just fall out of their chairs.

I only sing this song once in a blue moon or so. It's something to sometimes break up the monotony of a serious night. And, as I stated before, I have to make sure I know the audience there before I even consider a song like that.... plus, the Woman singing with me has to be a really good sport.

One time, when I sang BBTS, halfway through the song, the Woman singing with me just ad-libbed, "That B***T better quit asking questions" and everyone in the crowd broke out in laughter. I couldn't even get my next line in because I was laughing so hard.

Come, Stains....

Yup... that's another song I sing once in a while (usually by request).

In case you haven't heard a good gangsta rap song lately. There is nothing subliminal in the message. It's right out there in plain english, almost. It is the music. You are right that people are responsible for their actions. It doesn't mean they do the right things. Songs about the gang lifestyle being repeated day after day will make the wrong impression on young minds.

Would you sing a song to your kids everyday that was called "Why don't you kill yourself?" That wouldn't scare you would it? It's only a song. Do you think after a year or two they might be wondering about whether to do it or not? Now i know there is no song by that title, yet. But you wouldn't let your kids listen to it day after day. Because it would rot their brain. The stuff these kids listen to daily isn't much better than my song. To ignore or say that music doesn't effect peoples thinking to an extent is crazy talk.

You learned your ABCs with a stupid little song. Why don't you sing it now. You will never forget that song. It's message (the ABCs) was burned into your brain. Now pretend the ABCs was take drugs and be a gangsta. You don't believe it can have an effect? Your role model teachers and mother and father sang the brain washing ABC song to you everyday until you were brainwashed into remembering them. Still don't think it has an effect? Our society is doomed from that mentality. Not arguing just giving an example.

You don't need to bark longer or even louder; people got your message already. Barking too much irritate people.

Now, turn around and bite your tail.

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Hmm now you are bringing up songs that AREN'T in karaoke nor even gangsta rap. This song is punk rock.
And you made sure to quote someone going OFF TOPIC, here I will requote what you stated to them.
Since this song is not available in a karaoke format, moot issue!
You aren't from the Pittsburgh area are you. Lot of reminiscence to ericlater type arguements that tend to go no where. Well & Sidewinder, Bigdog too. Even a little PittsburghPat. Very coincidental.

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I let the venue mandate the type of songs to be played. If I see older clintele
or children present, then songs with offensive lyrics will not be played. I was
in a VFW club a few years ago when the KJ played "War" by Edwin Starr. The
singer (a guest and non-veteran) picked that song to purposely affront some
Vietnam-era members. The KJ was too young to realize what was going on.
Nevertheless, he was held responsible for the disrespect and was not invited
back.

Recently, I attended a wedding reception where the DJ was playing contemporary
country songs which included "Before He Cheats" - Carrie Underwood, "Papa Loved
Mama" - Garth Brooks, "Stays in Mexico" - Toby Keith, "A Woman Knows" - Kenny
Chesney, "Jolene" - Dolly Parton, and several others. Playing songs about cheating
and infidelity are probably not the best choices for a wedding reception. I don't
know what the DJ was thinking about, but half way through, the bride's father told
him to stop playing country songs if that was the best he could think of.

I think it all boils down to some common sense. You will never offend somebody
by not playing a song with dirty lyrics, but on the other hand playing a song with
dirty lyrics is guaranteed to offend someone in the crowd regardless of the venue.
It's been my policy not to play any songs that display offensive or dirty lyrics and
that way I never have to apologize for my actions.

BTW, rap is not music. It's poetry put to percussion.

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Angel, first off, the topic is adult language AT KARAOKE. I've already stated that my songbooks do NOT contain any of this material, WHICH IS MY CHOICE. Again, you don't seem to get the point that SOMEONE is making the decision to BUY these songs, whether they be on cd, cdg, dvd, cassette, or whatever other format. You WILL NOT hear the UNCUT version of these songs on ANY radio station, or tv. So, in order for ANYONE to hear the UNCUT version SOMEONE has to make the CHOICE to buy it. Notice how I capitalized the words SOMEONE, and CHOICE. That means that SOMEONE CHOSE to buy, and listen to this music. So, if THEY want to BUY, and listen to this music, it is THEIR CHOICE. If they want to sing it to THEIR children, it is THEIR CHOICE. If THEIR children don't want to hear it, I'm sure they will tell them to SHUT THE F*** UP, since they were taught that language by THEIR parent. Also, I don't think the schools are teaching the kids in kindergarten to sing CRAZY B***H or other such songs, at least I hope not. Singing IS a very good way for children to learn, because it makes them use both sides of their brain. That's why (to use your example) it is easy to sing your abc's, and it is HARDER to say them without singing them. I'm not argueing with you either, I'm just pointing out your inaccuracies, and misconceptions. As long as we continue to be a country that believes in our freedoms, certain people will ALWAYS push the boundaries. Would you rather we start a NEW Third Riech? I think I'll vote to have the CHOICE to listen, or NOT listen to WHATEVER I like.

Rosario
Serenity Now Karaoke

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Oh come on. Trolls have their usefulness. They bring excitement to what might be a dull week. I say let anyone say what they want. I want to know who is an idiot out there and the best way to find out is let them open their mouths or write their garbage.

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