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cheese..I think you've gone too far

Many things depend on the type of venue.

Is it a BAR that serves some food ?
Is it a RESTAURANT that serves liquor ?

Whichever it is one thing should remain constant...no one should be able to sit and enjoy the entertainment without spending money $$$. period !

It's okay if your don't drink alcohol .....but you pay for soda/pop or even WATER.
- but BUSINESS IS BUSINESS and adding DOLLARS to the till is the goal. YEAH okay you bring 10 friends that spend money ... THAT'S GOOD.
Majority of the singers are GOOD CUSTOMERS ..so why do we spend so much time arguing about a very small percentage of the singers ???????

The consumption rate is the difference.

Average beer drinker going into a bar might have 4 or 5 beers over the course of the evening.

Average soda drinker might have one or two in the same time period.

Not necessarily.
I have 2 singers that come to every show and not only do they order food, if available (which many liquor drinkers do NOT), but they also have AT LEAST 2 or 3 sodas, oftentimes more. Then there's the others who come in and have 2 beers if you're lucky.
No one ever says anything about THOSE ones because they're drinking beer, even though it's CHEAPER than the sodas!
That's because like you, they ASSUME that they will automatically have more.
It ain't necessarily so!

In the course of the night, I can pack down 4 or 5 sodas if not more. Beer I'm lucky if I can drink one. Can't stand the taste of beer.

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There are exceptions to every rule, obviously.. but generally speaking.. and this is supported by quite a bit of industry research, your average dollar per hour of revenue will be higher with a person who consumes alcohol vs. a person consuming soft drinks.

That's why you don't see many 'no booze' bars or alcohol free clubs.

Regardless, your generalizations and assumptions aren't necessarily accurate.

My 'generalizations and assumptions' are based on experience and are backed by industry data, and illustrated by the absolute lack of 'dry' bars.

Only time the 'juice bar' format works is when you have nude women dancing around and the drinks are sold for $7+ a piece with a two drink minimum.

That isn't a generalization, that isn't an assumption, that is a fact.

Where is this research? Are there documented links to back up facts or are you basing this on your own experience and maybe a handful of others? So anyone that isn't an alcolholic/drunk shouldn't go to a bar to enjoy their singing fix? Even if they spend money - most bars don't require what you have to spend money on, as long as you spend it on something.

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That may be the case in your area, but it doesn't mean it's accurate for EVERY area.
As for juice bars not being successful unless they have, in your words,"nude women dancing around and the drinks are sold for $7+ a piece with a two drink minimum.", That is absolute hogwash.

http://www.boosterjuice.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booster_Juice

You can't tell me that there are nude women selling them in Saudi Arabia...

That's just ONE example...

this discussion has been hijacked and gone from ridiculous to absurd !!

I agree but has been some what entertaining

Are you serious? You can't tell the difference between a juice stand in the mall and a club? Why not bring up Starbucks while you're at it? No booze sold there, either.

They host karaoke at these places? How many shows do YOU host at a 'BoosterJuice' place? How many karaoke shows are you hosting in Saudi Arabia?

Talk about grasping at straws. Wow.

And in most cases the mark up on non-alcoholic drinks is vastly higher than alcoholic drinks. Remember alcohol in most jurisdictions is taxed to the hilt while non-alcoholic drinks aren't. As long as one buys, one gets to sing.

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Per unit cost is less with fountian style drinks.. something in the range of about .13 cents for a 12oz glass, vs. an average .61 cents for a 16 oz domestic draft, like bud or bud light. (16oz glass, 14oz of beer, remainder of glass as a 'head')

Domestic bottled beers range from .74 to .85 cents a bottle.

The real high margin stuff would be the mixed drinks.

Of course, these costs do not reflect overhead, staff, and storage (refrigeration, for instance)

The bar business is all about volume. If you're sitting there putting down 2.5 drinks per hour while you're sitting there, regardless if those drinks are beers or sodas, then great.

People who are drinking are far more likely to order finger foods to 'absorb the alcohol' and vastly more prone to buy their friends additional drinks, and in general be looser with their money.

Sure.. maybe you have a third cousin named Farid in Saudi Arabia who parties his Tagiyah off every Friday pounding smoothies at his neighborhood Jamba Juice, but for the other 99.999999% of clubs trying to make a buck in this slow economy, selling booze is where it's at.

In my neck of the woods, alcohol is "The Great Karaoke Motivator & Lubricant".

The only people not drinking while singing are the 10 year old birthday parties.

It's 8:30 and already the singers are lining up.
Some with discs in hand, others carrying their own microphones and 1 large guy carrying his own sub-woofer.
They all want to be the 1st to sing but wait patiently for the 9:00pm starting time.
They take their seats at tables scattered through out the bar, some holding onto bottles of water they brought in and others coffee cups from starbucks.
The manager gives me a stare as to tell me the 15 people seated in his bar waiting to sing have not spent a dime. I look at the clock and it strikes 9.
I flick on the power and before I can finish WELCOME they all rush the stage waving their discs and microphones and dragging a sub -woofer .


And then I wake up sweating ----bad dream

No, Are you serious?? You're the one who threw the example out there and I gave you and example in return that proved you wrong. Now you want to turn it around and change what the example is. You go right ahead...
As for getting off topic, it certainly has...
I've said my piece about bringing your own mics and both why I would do and why I would accept it and I guess that's the last I'll comment on it.

You're delusional.

No club or bar stays open without selling booze.

You can try and 'prove me wrong' with semantics by saying that juice stand you gave as 'just one example' was any kind of actual bar.. but any rational person reading this thread knows the kind of 'bar' i'm talking about is the place that stays open past 11pm, books entertainment regularly (DJ/Karaoke/Bands) and not a 'Salad Bar' or an Orange Julias or Jamba Juice.

Your example was the kind of place soccer moms stop at after going to the mall. Hey.. Taco Bell stays in biz without selling booze, too. Surprised you didn't bring that up.

We have a very successful 'clean & sober' club that does dj/karaoke even live music, pool tables, no alcohol.
http://www.applinistwo.com/index.html

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