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Alan B
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Smoothedge69
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Bazza wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: What wrong with you, Alan?
Bazza says the Cloud is the way to go, and if you don't agree with him you don't know anything about business. Geeze, you should know better than to go against the genius that is Bazza.  . You drank the Alan Kool-Aid I see. Tasty eh!  Looks guys, we are all on the same team here. You guys seem to be fixated on the delivery method, while I am simply looking at the bottom line. More music for a low price is a good thing for all, no matter how you obtain it. Unfortunately, the "low price" part seems to be missing here. Nope, not a big fan of Kool-Aid. It's got too much sugar for my tastes.
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DannyG2006 wrote: 6213 and growing but can't compete with the 100,000 collections. If you have what people want to sing, then you can compete just fine. _________________ LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
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Alan B
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Lonman wrote: DannyG2006 wrote: 6213 and growing but can't compete with the 100,000 collections. If you have what people want to sing, then you can compete just fine. I agree!
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Cloud services of all types inherently mean that you leave the realm of ownership and venture backward into the realm of being a renter. You will pay subscriber fees indefinitely and over time, that means more revenue for the provider (otherwise they would be seeling you discs and downloads). Then one day you are on an important gig and you lose your internet connection and voila! You are out of business.
There is no substitute for having legally purchased discs in your library and no cloud service will ever give you permanent, unrestricted use of their material. And besides, whether you have 100,000 songs (cloud) or only 2,000 songs in your personal library, you'll never have or find every song that someone could request and even with only 2,000 songe you may have as many as 95% (or more) of the songs people will request. How many clouds do you need for Summer Nights and Baby Got Back?
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Alan B
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j57little wrote: Cloud services of all types inherently mean that you leave the realm of ownership and venture backward into the realm of being a renter. You will pay subscriber fees indefinitely and over time, that means more revenue for the provider (otherwise they would be seeling you discs and downloads). Then one day you are on an important gig and you lose your internet connection and voila! You are out of business.
There is no substitute for having legally purchased discs in your library and no cloud service will ever give you permanent, unrestricted use of their material. And besides, whether you have 100,000 songs (cloud) or only 2,000 songs in your personal library, you'll never have or find every song that someone could request and even with only 2,000 songe you may have as many as 95% (or more) of the songs people will request. How many clouds do you need for Summer Nights and Baby Got Back? As you can see from the poll, 76% want nothing to do with it. The only one who benifits from it are it's owners. Certainly NOT for the average KJ, unless you like being ripped off.
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Alan B wrote: Her is the only way I would ever subscribe to the Karaoke Cloud:
1. There is no subscription fee.
2. You pay $2 for each song (download).
3. They are now yours. You own them. Latshaw Systems wrote: I just got off a 3 way phone call with representatives of karaoke.com (also here in Baltimore) and Digitrax (karaoke cloud). I don't know if it's timing or pure coincidence, but the evidently the American publishers have finally caved on their downloading rules. I was called to be informed that Digitrax will be offering MP3+G downloads (not rentals) and now has the legal authority to do so, and they will be carrying content from Amercian karaoke producers as early as next month when their site goes live.
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Latshaw also removed that post from his FB...evidently he misunderstood something as Digitrax stated that NO such licence exsits for US use
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Alan B
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If Digitrax and other publishers are following this thread, they'll clearly see that in it's proposed form, the majority do not want it. The majority will not subscribe. It has also been stated by many that they would continue to host karaoke shows on their existing librarys only and purchase what they need from other sources.
As I have said before, unless they follow Amazon's lead, the karaoke cloud is doomed to fail. We as KJ's, do NOT need it. We can do just fine without it. And we'll always be able to purchase new music from someone else, just like we've been doing all along.
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Alan B wrote: If Digitrax and other publishers are following this thread, they'll clearly see that in it's proposed form, the majority do not want it. The majority will not subscribe. It has also been stated by many that they would continue to host karaoke shows on their existing librarys only and purchase what they need from other sources.
As I have said before, unless they follow Amazon's lead, the karaoke cloud is doomed to fail. We as KJ's, do NOT need it. We can do just fine without it. And we'll always be able to purchase new music from someone else, just like we've been doing all along. Well, they WILL have Bazza as a customer. .
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Allan B,
The cloud does make sense for some KJ's...if you are new and can use the cloud to have a viable selection and are tight on $$$ it makes sense. Our poll was mostly established hosts that own tons of discs....we are a different animal
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kjathena wrote: Allan B,
The cloud does make sense for some KJ's...if you are new and can use the cloud to have a viable selection and are tight on $$$ it makes sense. Our poll was mostly established hosts that own tons of discs....we are a different animal Us new guys don't have $200 a month to spend on music because we don't have established shows. I, for one, would much rather own my music, than just rent it.
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I would much rather own my music too...but if you are new ...you can start running a show with a GOOD library for 200 a month,,,,,,while you search and find, rip, catalog,and prepare to print....if it takes you 6 months to develop a library...you have run 6 months of cash flowing to help you build. You've also built a following(hopefully) and got your name out there....you use the cloud to help you get going.
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kjathena wrote: I would much rather own my music too...but if you are new ...you can start running a show with a GOOD library for 200 a month,,,,,,while you search and find, rip, catalog,and prepare to print....if it takes you 6 months to develop a library...you have run 6 months of cash flowing to help you build. You've also built a following(hopefully) and got your name out there....you use the cloud to help you get going.
Athena That's a waste. Then you are paying $200 a month for the cloud, AND buying up music. You have nothing left to live on. Not a good plan.
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Doesn't anyone see this as CB/Digitrax version of the GEM Series, as far as the settlements go? You know, get the Cloud or face the wrath of CB/Digtrax/Piracy Recovery/???? I understand other manufacturers being involved, and that is the wild card of it...only rumors about which ones actually will be. And could they be doing what pirates have been doing for decades: working around the lack of established protocol to make the best of a messy situation? Food for thought/discussion...
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Smoothedge69 wrote: That's a waste. Then you are paying $200 a month for the cloud, AND buying up music. You have nothing left to live on. Not a good plan. When I started I rented a library from another company and the selection consisted of about 1000 songs total. While doing shows, I would slowly buy up enough of what I needed to quit renting. I remember mentioning this to you before & you said there was no one to rent from - so you were open to the idea at one point. What's the difference now, you rent while working & continue to buy - and when you have enough you quit renting. Not stupid business, it's a way to get the business going while acquiring more of the tools you need to get you to a point of not needing to rent anymore. No business is going to to turn profit in the first year or two - if run correctly, much of the money is going right back into it to build on. _________________ LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
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Lonman wrote: Smoothedge69 wrote: That's a waste. Then you are paying $200 a month for the cloud, AND buying up music. You have nothing left to live on. Not a good plan. When I started I rented a library from another company and the selection consisted of about 1000 songs total. While doing shows, I would slowly buy up enough of what I needed to quit renting. I remember mentioning this to you before & you said there was no one to rent from - so you were open to the idea at one point. What's the difference now, you rent while working & continue to buy - and when you have enough you quit renting. Not stupid business, it's a way to get the business going while acquiring more of the tools you need to get you to a point of not needing to rent anymore. No business is going to to turn profit in the first year or two - if run correctly, much of the money is going right back into it to build on. Were you renting that collection for $200 a month?? That is a lot of money when you are starting out. That is a lot of money that could go straight to buying music and back-up equipment. AS for being for it before I was against it ,(pun intended), I was just REALLY new at the whole business side of it. I have no interest in renting anything, especially for so much money.
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Like any other business, it takes start-up capital. Equipment, music, printing, etc. These are business expenses and part of doing business. If you are not financially prepared, and don't have the start up funds, then you shouldn't be starting a business. You're not ready.
Sorry but "renting" doesn't get you anywhere. That $200 a month can be used to buy discs or equipment or songbook printing or microphones or any other tangable item. Don't throw your money away.
Most of us paid the price getting into this business. And it didn't happen overnight. Took a while to aquire what we have now.
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Alan B wrote: Like any other business, it takes start-up capital. Equipment, music, printing, etc. These are business expenses and part of doing business. If you are not financially prepared, and don't have the start up funds, then you shouldn't be starting a business. You're not ready.
Sorry but "renting" doesn't get you anywhere. That $200 a month can be used to buy discs or equipment or songbook printing or microphones or any other tangable item. Don't throw your money away.
Most of us paid the price getting into this business. And it didn't happen overnight. Took a while to aquire what we have now. Well, that is why it has taken me so long to get going. I am almost ready, though. Hopefully fixing my speakers by next week. Then I need a table, and books. I can do the books myself. I will print them and make them myself.
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when we first started we were renting an entire system...hardware and software. It cost us half of every gig...I wish it were only $200 a month. We poured the other half of every gig into buying hardware and a used set of laserdisc's and within 6 months we were up and rolling on our own. The 6 months also allowed us to build a crowd, decide what we wanted(and did not want) as far as equipment. Yes we worked hard for 6 months with no pay from the shows but it worked well for us. Today renting software does not make much sense for us...we have built up to a insane amount of discs...but if I had the opportunity to rent super light speakers so I could /pick up equipment/set up/run a show/teardown/store equipment without help or severe pain I would, until I could afford to purchase them...yes I would work for nothing until I saved enough to purchase them but it would be worthwhile to me and would bring in regular cash thereafter.
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