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Now THAT'S an example.

You forgot the part about the nude women each with a bottle of $7.00 juice in each hand.....

Gotta love what you guys will argue about.

The best thing is...

It's entertainment I don't have to pay for.

Yeah! Ain't it great?

I made some jalapeno poppers. Here, try one . . . .

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just my 2 pennies on mics and germs. Of course we can get germs from anything, does that mean we should just give up and not try to minimize the contact? Not only do mics have spit on them, I pretty much guarantee you that at last 30 $% of the people that handle them do NOT wash their hands after using the restrooms. If someone comes to my show and wants me to plug their mic in, no problem! It's not really an inconvenience to me and I can make them happy.

I don't play discs because I don't carry a player. My set up isn't big enough for it, I don't use any tables and I've only had one request. Not saying I won't someday, but not needed in my situation.

Difference---singers with mics, I plug into my cable,,, done.

Singers with discs, I'd have to have an extra component and change my set up.

By the way, I Do wash my hands and I NEVER touch the door knob!

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Well, Problem #1 would be I don't have any long XLR cables.

I wouldn't care if someone wanted to use their mic but I would tell them they are a pain in my butt.

The Cheese, thank you. by your own figures, a bar makes almost six times more profit on fountain pop than draught beer on tap. So a beer drinker will have to drink 5-6 beers to give the bar the same profit as one pop drinker.

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Timberlea, are you referring to this post by Cheese?


Well, unfortunately for your assumption, you have overlooked the fact that most places serve free refills on soft drinks, including many ignorant karaoke venues. You have also completely overlooked that you DON'T know how many beers are being purchased per day vs soft drinks.

You, Timberlea, are one who often reads a very lot into a very little. But more simply put, to really know the profitability of the "typical" karaoke venue one does have to know more about the venue:

(1) beer and wine or full bar, including prices?
(2) the food menu, including prices?


TIPPING IS APPRECIATED BUT DOESN'T ADD TO THE "Z" TAPE -how the profitability of the karaoke show is measured

Which is the venues own bad! They should charge for every drink - especially when entertainment is at hand. Ours used to give refills at one time & I finally convinced them to charge for everything - including water.

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Have you ever tried the Cider Beers? Woodpecker Cider, Original Sin, Magners (there's a few other brands, but the names escape me right now)?

And it seems that you would agree that every place is capable of having their own "bad" (what a juvenile expression) And MOST new non-chain eateries don't survive their first year in business because of some "bad" on their part.

And while Lonman is not a restaurateur, it was he who recognized the problem and persuaded management to change their policy.

Bravo; not bad for someone who has many times insisted that its not his job to pay attention to what folks are spending or to get involved in discussions with management in such matters!

Congrats everybody !!!

As twisted as this thead has become, youve managed to go 7 pages without using the "P" word. Thats gotta be some sorta record.

Oh, by the way, if somebody wants to use their own mic at my show....no problem.

Mojo

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OMG This just gets better and better, we've gone from a very polarized combat with clear sides to now a complete mosh pit where everyone is just beating up on everyone else. Damn I'm out of popcorn, hey Moonrider, can you pass over some poppers??? At least I've got plenty of beer left, and I don't have to tip the waiter.

So with this frenzy already started, let me throw another piece of bloddy flesh into the piranha pit, along the lines of the Microphone, how many of you would allow a singer to bring in and use their own instrument like a guitar or something? I have singers bring in guitars quite often and while I know some of you will find this hypocritical of me, I do allow them to plug in and play away.

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I've done it, let some people bring in and hook up their guitars. But, I tell them it's not what I'm trying to accomplish as far as karaoke goes. I try to discourage them from making a habit out of it. It usually only happens once and then they see my point and don't do it again. But, then there is the next guy, and the next. I just keep telling each of them as they come in the same thing. A guitar is different from a mic, because we already have mics, and it doesn't conflict with our karaoke show.

Someone else touched on the instrument thing a bit earlier in this thread.. and echoed my own experiences with it.

While i've never done it personally, i've seen a few other hosts do it.. and it seems the guy who brings their guitar wants to run away with the show and do a 'toofer' or a 'threefer'

Unlike a microphone, a guitars sound can be a issue.. people bring effects boxes or multieffects pedals.. guy wants to play along with a karaoke track but it's in the wrong key.. uhh what a pain in the (@$%&#!).

I only had to see it implemented once to know I wasn't ever going to do it.. and i'm a guitar player.

Bringing instruments kind of turns it into a variety show.. if there's strong interest in that sort of thing, talk the venue into booking you to host a monthly '>YOUR TOWN NAME HERE<'s Got Talent' kind of show.

Around here, they charge for EVERY drink, regardless of whether it's pop or alcohol.
And tovmod, Not sure why you would need to know how many beers are being purchased per day vs soft drinks. The profit margin remains the same, regardless of how many are sold. Same goes for knowing whether there's food in a venue or not.
The profitability of soda vs beer remains the same, regardless of what else there is in a venue. The ONLY thing that would affect the profitability is whether the equipment to deliver it, eg, kegs, CO2, lines, etc are owned outright, partially paid for, or rented. If owned outright or rented, the profit margin remains the same. If partially paid for, then the profit margin goes UP with every payment until it's paid for, at which time, it will remain static.
As for plugging in guitars and such, no way. It's KARAOKE, not open mic or jam session night. I've seen it happen once, and what happens is the players want to play along with every song. Singers tend to get peeved with someone playing ,usually badly, in their ear. Tends to throw you off, especially if they don't really know the song, which is usually the case.

Nope never once did I say that! I have said it is not my job to police who is or isn't spending and will allow everyone their time on stage. It IS the bars responsibility to tell me otherwise. If they have a problem with a non-spender then they need to tell them they either must spend to stay or leave. My discussing the charging had nothing to do with policing.
What was it you quoted to Tim, I think this very much applies to you as well?
You, tovmod, are one who often reads a very lot into a very little.

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You're not sure why he needs to know that, because you apparently lack even the most rudimentary understanding of business.

If a soda costs .13 cents and a draft beer costs .61 cents and the bar sells both for $2 then yes, the bar has a higher profit margin on the soda.. but that doesn't mean their making more money at the end of the night from soda sales.

Generally speaking, beer drinkers consume far more beers over the course of an evening than soda drinkers, due in part to the fact that beer drinkers tend to stay longer.

Drinking people tend to be looser with their money. Ever see a soda drinker say, "I'll buy the house a round!"? Not to mention people drinking are twice as likely to order bar food grub.

But forget all that.

I rarely see parity with beer and soda prices, and on average, a draft beer will be priced $1 to $1.50 more than the soda price, unless it's happy hour or a special.

So let's say a venue sells a soda for $2 and a 16oz draft beer for $3 to $3.50

They're gross margin on a soda is $1.87

Gross margin on a beer, $2.39 to $2.89

So they're making more money on beer than soda, and as a general rule, beer drinkers drink more drinks per hour than soda drinkers.

Now in a place where sodas and draft beers are equal in price.. that's likely due to management getting sick of people coming in and drinking nothing but soda.

Now again, remember i'm talking GROSS MARGIN here.. when you factor in the expenses associated with fountain drinks vs. draft, having to have an ice machine, etc, the costs inured with fountain drinks climb.

And that's just draft beer. Bars typically sell bottled beer, as well as a wide variety of mixed drinks.. and that's where the profit margins really get fat. Mixed drinks.

$1.35 worth of Jack Daniels in a glass with .13 cents of Coke = $1.48 drink that sells for $5 or more just about everywhere i've been in the last two years.

That's why bars are in the business of SELLING BOOZE.

See if your local Jamba Juice will book your karaoke show and invite all your soda sipping singers.

Well i've never seen that with a beer or alcohol drinker - our house is pretty big (200 cap), can't imagine anyone buying a house round, but yes I have seen soda drinkers buy rounds for their drinking friends at the table they are at, sometimes up to 20 people, many times over. They actually fired a waitress recently because she told a customer that he couldn't stay if he wasn't drinking something more than soda. He inquired about it and the manager said BS, that is why we put it on the menu, if we had a problem with it, why would we offer it. The waitress was gone the next day!

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Why would I need to know? Because I am a CPA; I am not nurse! If I asked you to bring me a catheter what would you provide me? Well there are also "that many' possible meanings for "profit margin" and in order to determine what you really want to know regarding what is a profitable model to use for your business you need to be familiar with all of the factors in play: brand profit margin, product line margin, product segment (beer vs wine vs alcohol), individual food vs spirits profit margin, and I can go on and on. BUT if you don't care about what percentage or how much of your total sales is from food does it matter if you sell but one hot dog a day vs 500? Your profit margin from EACH hot dog does not vary. But you will make more selling 500 Angus beef hamburgers even if they have the same profit margin as the hot dogs, by selling them for twice as much!?