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karaoke koyote
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:19 am |
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Lonman @ Tue Feb 24, 2009 9:28 am wrote: EElvis @ Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:10 pm wrote: I put out the books, but havent updated them in 3 years. I printed a new set last year, but got tired of having customers asking me which version is better. So I put out what I have and tell thenm they are there for suggestions. They usually just turn in a slip with their name and the name of the song, or in some cases the song and artist....... because of all the remakes, and I select the best version. Most seem quite happy with that. Then you just list the best version if 9 out of 10 times the singer is going to rely on your opinion anyway. Why list more than 1? I print a new full book about once a year with a new disc supplement everytime I get a new disc. But it doesn't just get a new page, I reprint the entire new section with the new discs marked as newly added. I have seen some places that just add a new page every time & it gets really confusing after a bunch of new discs get added over time.
Which is exactly why I only update one entire book at a time, and date the cover. I hate "updates".... now I have to go through the main section and six sections of updates to find that its not listed, and I should have just asked to begin with.
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Lonman
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:24 am |
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karaoke koyote @ Tue Feb 24, 2009 11:19 am wrote: Lonman @ Tue Feb 24, 2009 9:28 am wrote: EElvis @ Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:10 pm wrote: I put out the books, but havent updated them in 3 years. I printed a new set last year, but got tired of having customers asking me which version is better. So I put out what I have and tell thenm they are there for suggestions. They usually just turn in a slip with their name and the name of the song, or in some cases the song and artist....... because of all the remakes, and I select the best version. Most seem quite happy with that. Then you just list the best version if 9 out of 10 times the singer is going to rely on your opinion anyway. Why list more than 1? I print a new full book about once a year with a new disc supplement everytime I get a new disc. But it doesn't just get a new page, I reprint the entire new section with the new discs marked as newly added. I have seen some places that just add a new page every time & it gets really confusing after a bunch of new discs get added over time. Which is exactly why I only update one entire book at a time, and date the cover. I hate "updates".... now I have to go through the main section and six sections of updates to find that its not listed, and I should have just asked to begin with.
As a singer if I do not see it in the book, I will assume it's not there. I don't bother asking a kj that won't bother to update their books - not saying entire books, but at least a supplement page. I like to see what is newly added as a singer, sometimes this is the only section I may use in a night.
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c. staley
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:25 am |
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Lone Wolf said: Quote: I have never been to a show with a kiosk so I really don't know what to expect but I would have some concerns about one.
Then you need to talk to mckyj57, he's seen 4 of them and used them. You'll get the most objective viewpoint from him.
I could tell you all day long that there aren't long lines waiting to use it, that yes, you can browse and all the stuff you'd like to hear, but I'll admit I'm biased. I've been using a kiosk for 4 years and I wouldn't go back to books for a club.
I was worried about everything you are and then realized after a very short time period that I was worried about something that never happened.
Then again, there are the diehard booklovers....
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exweedfarmer
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 12:15 pm |
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I am definitely in the kiosk camp. I used books and kiosks at the same time and the books gathered dust after about the third show at the same venue. Given a choice people would rather not write things down. Updating kiosks is free. If you use junk computers for kiosks and it gets broken, you just get another junk computer.
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DannyG2006
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 12:23 pm |
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karaoke koyote @ Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:01 am wrote: Ok, this sounds neat. Is there software to do this... how do you set one up?
Invincion also has a kiosk but all it allows the singer to do is search the songlist. There was talk about doing something like what AUtoKDJ does but I don't think it went anywhere.
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JoeChartreuse
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 12:32 pm |
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Weed is the Kiosk software king. Got questions? He's yer guy......
On the other hand, while I have have nothing against kiosks, I would never rely upon them entirely. They're great IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO SING. However, most of my singers want to take their time and browse through the books. Browsing a book is one of the top ways to get newbies up, since they have no idea what they may wish to sing. They may take a half hour or more.
You get someone hogging a kiosk like that the other singers get ticked, and the newbie feels pressured and intimidated. It's books in NJ by a wide margin.
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karaoke koyote
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 12:51 pm |
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JoeChartreuse @ Tue Feb 24, 2009 12:32 pm wrote: Weed is the Kiosk software king. Got questions? He's yer guy......
On the other hand, while I have have nothing against kiosks, I would never rely upon them entirely. They're great IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO SING. However, most of my singers want to take their time and browse through the books. Browzing a book is one of the topways to get newbies up, since they have no idea what they may wish to sing. They may take a half hour or more.
You get someone hogging a kiosk like that the other singers get ticked, and the newbie feels pressured and intimidated. It's books in NJ by a wide margin.
Joe, that was my feeling exactly. As much as I'd like to get rid of sticky books, I can't see the kiosk being newbie friendly. I would like to try it, but would have to phase out the books... .
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karaoke koyote
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 12:55 pm |
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Lonman @ Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:24 am wrote: karaoke koyote @ Tue Feb 24, 2009 11:19 am wrote: Lonman @ Tue Feb 24, 2009 9:28 am wrote: EElvis @ Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:10 pm wrote: I put out the books, but havent updated them in 3 years. I printed a new set last year, but got tired of having customers asking me which version is better. So I put out what I have and tell thenm they are there for suggestions. They usually just turn in a slip with their name and the name of the song, or in some cases the song and artist....... because of all the remakes, and I select the best version. Most seem quite happy with that. Then you just list the best version if 9 out of 10 times the singer is going to rely on your opinion anyway. Why list more than 1? I print a new full book about once a year with a new disc supplement everytime I get a new disc. But it doesn't just get a new page, I reprint the entire new section with the new discs marked as newly added. I have seen some places that just add a new page every time & it gets really confusing after a bunch of new discs get added over time. Which is exactly why I only update one entire book at a time, and date the cover. I hate "updates".... now I have to go through the main section and six sections of updates to find that its not listed, and I should have just asked to begin with. As a singer if I do not see it in the book, I will assume it's not there. I don't bother asking a kj that won't bother to update their books - not saying entire books, but at least a supplement page. I like to see what is newly added as a singer, sometimes this is the only section I may use in a night.
And that's why they have that saying about ASSume.
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karaoke koyote
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:14 pm |
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BruceFan4Life @ Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:07 pm wrote: Hmmmm. I guess you must have ASSumed that you could carry your AMP without dropping it????? That's what I call comic relief.
Actually, I didn't get the opportunity to carry it at all. I grabbed my speaker stands and the Amp just "jumped" out the back of my van, and bounced nicely on the pavement.
What was certainly more amusing was the rant and choice words I used in regards to my clumsiness.
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GeminiMALE40
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:18 pm |
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I have the songfinder program its just a matter of taking the time & setting it up.
I had taken the demo with me and got good and not so good comments about it. I guess some are just die hard book fans...whatever.. . Hopefully I will have this program up and running soon
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JoeChartreuse
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:24 pm |
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karaoke koyote @ Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:51 pm wrote: JoeChartreuse @ Tue Feb 24, 2009 12:32 pm wrote: Weed is the Kiosk software king. Got questions? He's yer guy......
On the other hand, while I have have nothing against kiosks, I would never rely upon them entirely. They're great IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO SING. However, most of my singers want to take their time and browse through the books. Browzing a book is one of the topways to get newbies up, since they have no idea what they may wish to sing. They may take a half hour or more.
You get someone hogging a kiosk like that the other singers get ticked, and the newbie feels pressured and intimidated. It's books in NJ by a wide margin. Joe, that was my feeling exactly. As much as I'd like to get rid of sticky books, I can't see the kiosk being newbie friendly. I would like to try it, but would have to phase out the books... .
Yup, gonna be needing those Wet Wipes or alcohol for awhile....
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:54 pm |
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Well it looks like one kiosk on wheels takes up alot more space than what our book box/tv stand takes up, then multiply it by 2,3,4, or more. As for updating, when it comes in it gets updated. Those who don't update (and all you really have to do is do an update sheet in the back of your books as they come) is plain laziness.
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DannyG2006
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 2:02 pm |
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I put my updates in the front. That reminds me. Time to make new books.
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jamkaraoke
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 2:19 pm |
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I can see where having some sort of electronic book or kiosk is a NOVELTY and a selling tool for some. But an old fashioned book will be NEEDED for most venues for some time to come. As time goes on I'm sure handheld electronic books that wireless put in song requests will be the norm ..BEAM ME UP SCOTTY
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Jian
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:13 pm |
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Remember the time when cdg player was the norm and computer based KJ was at its infancy? This thread remind me of that time.
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Lonman
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:22 pm |
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I offer what I would personally like to see at a show. That includes books. I enjoy grabbing a book & browsing through pages, remembering songs. Maybe something reminds me of a particular song & will be able to look at my leisure, not have to go up, wait for a terminal, type in the name probably making sure to spell it correctly. I work on computers all day & don't want to have to do so in my fun time too. Give me a book to look through - especially for new songs. If I knew exactly what I wanted & sang the same songs everytime, then maybe a kiosk would be great, but for thinking up & looking for new songs, I want a book anytime.
I've been thinking about adding one just to see - but the touch screens (only way I would consider) I haven't been able to find one cheap enough - even though have been told they can be picked up for under $100. I have a couple older computers that could be used already.
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:23 pm |
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I find the idea very interesting, and would like to try one out for awhile to see how it would fly in a venue. The future seems to be rapidly approaching.
BTW Jam, I don't have the program ready for beaming yet
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timberlea
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 4:31 pm |
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Just remember when NASA was looking for an instrument that could withstand heat and frozen temperatures, could be used in a negative gravity situation and was correctible. They were going to give out a huge tender when someone handed them a pencil and said "This covers all the criteria".
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diafel
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 4:41 pm |
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Although I use a kiosk, I will never get rid of all my books. I MAY eventually print less, but that hasn't happened yet. What the kiosk HAS done is to free up a little more of my time because they can use the kiosk to actually enter songs into my hosting program, not just search to see what I have. It even automatically puts them in the correct slot in rotation!
Those that use it tend to be of the younger generation and they like it.
I prefer the books myself, which is why I won't give them up. I can't comprehend a time when books won't be used, but I'm sure that 50 years down the road that will be so.
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