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Just a dumb statement

Here we go again --OP asks a legitimate question about equipment choices within a specified budget. Kudos to those who can give unbiased suggestions.
I just don't understand those who either suggest items that would cost 5times the budget or BASH the likes of Behringer because they had 1 bad experiance or just on hear say. I've used and still use some BEHRINGER equipment. And for every defect from Behringer you can find one from Mackie Peavey A&H Yamaha Crown etc etc etc.

Behringer is and will always be a GREAT alternative for musicians and the like on a budget. AND in most cases ...a more affordable alternative with more features to some of the BIG brands. To those who BASH Behringer ..What kind of CAR do you drive ? Because if its not a BENZ or LEXUS or BEEMER it must be sh1t ..NO?

I have some malfunctioning & broken Behringer gear. Big deal. My partner and I just bought three more EP2500 amps and I will probably get a few more this summer to do some bigger jobs. Sure, I'd prefer Crown; but when I can get them for $270 each vs $500 - $600 for comparable power from Crown amps, I am not going to split hairs over the logo.

My A rig works 20 hours a week and I am actually taking some Crown amps out of it and switching them for Behringers because I want to use the light-weight Crowns in my mobile system. I wouldn't do that if I didn't believe the Behringer amps are reliable, as I'll be lucky to run that mobile rig 20 hours a month.

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I understand - I think MOST would agree in a side by side comparison if money was not a consideration - Behringer would fall short by a small margin on most products when compared to the "so called" bigger brands. Does not mean all their products are JUNK .

I mean, probably not a small margin in many cases, but here is how I look at it. A guy on PSW is talking about using six JBL SRX728s for an outdoor gig with 400 guests. If I remember correctly, those boxes cost about $1800 each. I'm going to do a similar size job this summer with four Behringer B1800X Pro subs, which cost $350 each. Yes, the array of JBLs will probably do 14dB more than my array of Behringers; but I know how much sound I need to make and that guy is going to have 30 times as much power as his job really requires.

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Jeff Wheeler, moonlight DJ/KJ

As someone who has consulted with the best tech advise from the majors for over decades my choice of brands are those that provide good tech support and have a high resale value. Jbl schematics are available directly off the web and their parts can be substituted with easy to get generic parts. I wonder about Mackie now but I think Loud or whoever owns it now will get it together.

I do not knock certain brands unless their tech support sucks. Give me a cheaper product and if I can get tech info for it I will engineer and replace the lower grade components with class A generic easy to get parts. Certain manus regard this as a threat but the ones that dont flourish.

Over the years I watched RCA Zenith and all major USA brands lose out to Sony Sharp NEC etc in all markets. And I can tell you why. They went cheap and started producing disposable products.

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To Jeff and Jamkaraoke,

This is EXACTLY what I have been trying to elude to. Thanks for understanding the point I have tried to make.

Anyway, the OP should not have to see messages like "Behringer is Sh-t". If a person has had a problem with a specific model of equipment, then say, "I have had an issue with "brand x-model xxx, and here is the problem,,bla bla bla,,,,," They shouldn't say Brand X is junk. Would they say just because they bought a Ford truck that had a some engine issues, that gives them the right to say that Ford is SH-T? I really don't think so!

Give the question at hand from the OP it's honest andy un-biased as possible information, and leave the unnecessay bologna out of it. Thanks ya'll

FWIW, I got rid of my Behringer stuff. It worked OK, but I found them to be noisy. Always a hum or buzz somewhere. Perhaps I just had bum units.

For $1500, I assume you already own mics and cables, if not you should be prepared to spend money on those things as well. Here is what I suggest:

1 Behringer UB2442FX Pro, $280 on MF
1 Behringer EP2500 amp, $350 on MF, B&H Photo has it on sale at $270
1 pair of Kustom 215H cabinets, $350 on MF for the pair
1 Behringer B1800X Pro subwoofer, $350 on MF
1 dbx DriveRack PA, $350 on MF

That stuff adds up to $1600, a little over your budget, but it's close. If you need mics and cables then you might want to solicit donations from your church members or do without that DriveRack PA for a while, although your amps and speakers will work harder without it.

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Jeff Wheeler, moonlight DJ/KJ

Sorry, not going to recommend something that I wouldn't use myself. I go by experience with the products & other pro user reviews as well. The problems tend far outweigh the happy users by quite a bit.
BTW ever here that saying " i'd rather push my Chevy than drive a Ford"?

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You can tell someone you think their budget is unrealistically low or a product someone else likes is not up to your standards without turning their thread into ranting about how Brand B is no good and you wouldn't use any of their gear. Anyway, I suspect the OP will be a lot happier with some Behringer and Kustom than with whatever B52 Matrix crap the local Ukulele Center sales person might push on people with a small budget.

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[schild=13 fontcolor=C0C0C0 shadowcolor=C0C0C0 shieldshadow=1]Proud to be a Behringer Basher[/schild]

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Lonnie,

That was a much more mature response than "Behringer is poop". I can respect someone who cannot recommend a certain brand for whatever reasons, but to come right out and say "that brand is junk" is showing a persons prejudices and racisms. We all should be able to make an informed, logical decision based on facts and personal experiences. Not the immature attitudes of some others around us. (This doesn't mean i'm pointing fingers at anyone, cuz i'm really not).

In all fairness to the OP's of any thread that is asking for help, I believe good honest input is much more of value than ranting about our differences in opinion. This goes to everyone out there who thinks that bashing another persons sex, religion, nationality,,,,or even just a brand name of a certain item, is OK, because it's NOT. That's how things turn "ugly".

If not liking a product line for specific and personal reasons are Biased, then I'm Biased. It doesn't make sense to recommend something to someone unless I'm willing to use it myself, and I'm not.

OK Wink, it may be safe to get back in the pool now, I think the "adults" may be done splashing.

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Lonnie,

One more thing,,hehe. I have heard the saying about pushing chevy,,,but if it means getting to my destination? I will ride in a Yugo if I have to. I do know what you mean tho. Thanks

ooohhhh JD looks like the "man" is ignoring us pmsl

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1. To evade or escape from, as by daring, cleverness, or skill: The suspect continues to elude the police.
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me thinks you have your big words wrong. I believe what you are looking for is...

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"Be who you are and say what you feel... Because those that matter... Don't mind...And those that mind... Don't matter."

Maybe you can suggest something you think will better suit the OP and be within his budget? I don't think it helps him to bash each-others' choice of words. Maybe you guys would like to tell him how much you enjoy your Shure microphones, in case he does not already own some. ;P (I know, I'm going to Heil.)

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Jeff Wheeler, moonlight DJ/KJ

Morgan,,

You are correct! Give yourself a cookie! Forgive us all who can't spell worth a damn!

I am very happy with my behringer Ucontrol202 usb soundcard and Eurorack1202fx mixer. But I guess I got lucky.

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