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Lonman
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 Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 2:52 pm |
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jamkaraoke @ Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:12 am wrote: Thats the answer I was looking for, I was alwas curious of the difference in the various lines of power amps. Besides weight and some protective features I always thought the sound was the same
No the sound is very different between the same manu's low end to high end units. But even the low end units can sound good provided you match the amp to the speakers program rating. A speaker needing 500 watts program will sound it's best with an amp that pushes this much over the same speaker with an amp that pushes maybe half that power. But then take one of the high end units with proper power, put them side by side with the low end unit with the same speakers/mixers/etc. & you WILL hear a noticeable different, the high end unit will sound much fuller/cleaner & will most likely have more punch to it at the same volumes.
That being said, there are still manus that I prefer over others due to quality/reliability/durability. I wouldn't waste my money if I needed a 500 watt amp on a Nady or Gemini and the likes power amps, would save up & get something most likely from Crown, QSC, Peavey, Carvin, Yamaha. Even the low end unit from these manus sound like HIGH GRADE amps, in comparison to the two previously mentioned & others similar to those. _________________ LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
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Micky
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Lonman @ Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:36 am wrote: jamkaraoke @ Tue Jun 02, 2009 7:37 pm wrote: Let me rephrase - All things equal except for the power amps
How much difference to the overall sound will one mfg be from another -just talking SOUND WISE not durability etc. Assuming the power ratings were the same
ie 500w x 2 @ 8ohms.
If you're going to buy a power amp - does it make a "SOUND" difference between CROWN or QSC - PEAVEY - etc ? Given two amps that push 500 watts per channel into 8 ohms (or close to) - lets say a low end Behringer EP2500 & something quality like a QSC PLX1804 that pushes 600 watts per channel (closest the PLX line pushes equivalent) - YES it WILL make a difference in the over all sound ENOUGH to warrant the extra money - most people don't want to spend the money to find out is the sad thing. I won't say name brands necessarily makes a difference as each manu does have their own low end lines - so no going from one manu to another won't necessarily be the big difference is sound, however the individual MODELs from each brand CAN make a difference. The QSC RMX line is still better than the Behringer EP line even though they are basically clones, but the QSC PLX models will blow both away soundwise! A Crown XL series amp will NEVER touch the performance & sound quality of a Crown Macro series amp. A Peavey PV series amp is not going to touch the sound quality of the CS series amp. They all may get loud, but the actual sound quality will be very noticeable in each amp in the same situations! Lonnie, I would be curious to have your opinion on XTi series from Crown  These amps are very light weight at 18lbs, they have a built in crossover, EQ, Limiter and USB... and they are not very expensive 
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Lonman
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Micky @ Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:12 pm wrote: Lonman @ Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:36 am wrote: jamkaraoke @ Tue Jun 02, 2009 7:37 pm wrote: Let me rephrase - All things equal except for the power amps
How much difference to the overall sound will one mfg be from another -just talking SOUND WISE not durability etc. Assuming the power ratings were the same
ie 500w x 2 @ 8ohms.
If you're going to buy a power amp - does it make a "SOUND" difference between CROWN or QSC - PEAVEY - etc ? Given two amps that push 500 watts per channel into 8 ohms (or close to) - lets say a low end Behringer EP2500 & something quality like a QSC PLX1804 that pushes 600 watts per channel (closest the PLX line pushes equivalent) - YES it WILL make a difference in the over all sound ENOUGH to warrant the extra money - most people don't want to spend the money to find out is the sad thing. I won't say name brands necessarily makes a difference as each manu does have their own low end lines - so no going from one manu to another won't necessarily be the big difference is sound, however the individual MODELs from each brand CAN make a difference. The QSC RMX line is still better than the Behringer EP line even though they are basically clones, but the QSC PLX models will blow both away soundwise! A Crown XL series amp will NEVER touch the performance & sound quality of a Crown Macro series amp. A Peavey PV series amp is not going to touch the sound quality of the CS series amp. They all may get loud, but the actual sound quality will be very noticeable in each amp in the same situations! Lonnie, I would be curious to have your opinion on XTi series from Crown These amps are very light weight at 18lbs, they have a built in crossover, EQ, Limiter and USB... and they are not very expensive Thanks For the weight, they are pretty kickin little amps. They can push the punch. I personally don't care for all the extra DSP built into them, but are a nice touch for someone who doesn't have any in their signal path to begin with. They aren't exactly cheap, but more of a mid grade on the quality level, I really thing you are paying a little more for the extra DSP & weight factor. The XTi2000 that pushes 450 watts per channel runs about $700. Inline with the PLX series from QSC. _________________ LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
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One other option, speakerwise is go to your local store and see if they sell rental units. Often times you can get superior speakers (passive or powered) for 50-70% of the cost new.
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Lonman @ Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:49 pm wrote: Micky @ Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:12 pm wrote: Lonman @ Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:36 am wrote: jamkaraoke @ Tue Jun 02, 2009 7:37 pm wrote: Let me rephrase - All things equal except for the power amps
How much difference to the overall sound will one mfg be from another -just talking SOUND WISE not durability etc. Assuming the power ratings were the same
ie 500w x 2 @ 8ohms.
If you're going to buy a power amp - does it make a "SOUND" difference between CROWN or QSC - PEAVEY - etc ? Given two amps that push 500 watts per channel into 8 ohms (or close to) - lets say a low end Behringer EP2500 & something quality like a QSC PLX1804 that pushes 600 watts per channel (closest the PLX line pushes equivalent) - YES it WILL make a difference in the over all sound ENOUGH to warrant the extra money - most people don't want to spend the money to find out is the sad thing. I won't say name brands necessarily makes a difference as each manu does have their own low end lines - so no going from one manu to another won't necessarily be the big difference is sound, however the individual MODELs from each brand CAN make a difference. The QSC RMX line is still better than the Behringer EP line even though they are basically clones, but the QSC PLX models will blow both away soundwise! A Crown XL series amp will NEVER touch the performance & sound quality of a Crown Macro series amp. A Peavey PV series amp is not going to touch the sound quality of the CS series amp. They all may get loud, but the actual sound quality will be very noticeable in each amp in the same situations! Lonnie, I would be curious to have your opinion on XTi series from Crown These amps are very light weight at 18lbs, they have a built in crossover, EQ, Limiter and USB... and they are not very expensive Thanks For the weight, they are pretty kickin little amps. They can push the punch. I personally don't care for all the extra DSP built into them, but are a nice touch for someone who doesn't have any in their signal path to begin with. They aren't exactly cheap, but more of a mid grade on the quality level, I really thing you are paying a little more for the extra DSP & weight factor. The XTi2000 that pushes 450 watts per channel runs about $700. Inline with the PLX series from QSC. Thanks for the info!
I just bought the XTi 2000 for $525,00 tx in from Audiosavings on ebay (brand new) and got it shipped to Canada, total cost with exchange & custom was $700.00 The XTi 1000 cost $699,00 here + 13.5% tax, so I really made a good deal
I personally like the DSP, I've got my EV-ZX1 working at 120hz and over and my active sub has an active crossover filtered at 120hz and under.
My ZX1 are rated 400 program but the XTi is 475w, is that risky I did set the limiter to -12db just to be on the safe side but I'm not shure it will really protect them
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Lonman
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 2:20 pm |
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Micky @ Thu Jun 04, 2009 3:01 pm wrote: My ZX1 are rated 400 program but the XTi is 475w, is that risky I did set the limiter to -12db just to be on the safe side but I'm not shure it will really protect them You should be fine. It's better to have too much power than too little - but the 75 watts difference isn't going to kill them. _________________ LIKE Lonman on Facebook - Lonman Productions Karaoke & my main site via my profile!
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