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[quote="diafel @ September 20th 2009, 10:54 am"]Bruce, you're an <span style=font-size:10px><i>(@$%&#!)</i></span>. :x
Obviously, you never paid attention to any of my other posts that I KNOW you've read, when I've mention putting together my second rig.
It is LEGAL all the way.
Not copies of what's on my computer at all.
Oh, and just so you KNOW. I DID NOT buy an illegal loaded hard drive.
What's on my computer is the result of over 7 YEARS of HARD WORK.
What I DID do was copy the discs for the second rig and put the originals in storage and I run off the backups. That way, if someone breaks a disc, it's not the original.
Your comments, therefore, have ZERO relevance to this thread.
And thanks for the vote of confidence.[/quote]

and what discs did you use to create your hard drive collection during those SEVEN YEARS? Did you use the same discs to load your hard drive as you used to make your back-up set of discs? Do you have two sets of original discs or just one set of original discs? If you only own ONE set of original discs; then you can't legally use your computer system and your back up discs at the same time.

I didn't infer that you bought an illegal hard drive....did you notice that I mentioned it as a side note? I was talking about other folks who have purchased their hard drives from Craig's list or E-bay and then complain when one of their employees makes a copy of it.

Using software like CD Clone you can make ISO images and it only takes 3min/disc.. Then you rip later when you have the time using DAEMON Tools which is a virtual cd drive on your computer,.

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I participate in other forums where members speak of having libraries with 10's of thousand of tracks, NUMBERS that few if any would have the funds to purchase. And on those forums nobody gets diverted discussing how a fellow member came by their library.

Can't we remain civil? What is accomplished by pursuing discussions like this one, BFFL?

Do you think Diafel is and idiot?

Do you want to call her some name?

I applaud you for puttin in the time with your family. That being said, Is it worth the income you get off the hired help to risk losing the gig later to this thief using your equipment? This may sound callus but I trust noone to the extent that I don't play well with others meaning i don't even use another KJ for referals. I got burnt years ago and it will never happen again if I can help it.

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[quote="tovmod @ September 20th 2009, 11:49 am"][quote="BruceFan4Life @ Sun Sep 20, 2009 8:33 am"][quote="diafel @ September 20th 2009, 10:54 am"]Bruce, you're an <span style=font-size:10px><i>(@$%&#!)</i></span>. :x
Obviously, you never paid attention to any of my other posts that I KNOW you've read, when I've mention putting together my second rig.
It is LEGAL all the way.
Not copies of what's on my computer at all.
Oh, and just so you KNOW. I DID NOT buy an illegal loaded hard drive.
What's on my computer is the result of over 7 YEARS of HARD WORK.
What I DID do was copy the discs for the second rig and put the originals in storage and I run off the backups. That way, if someone breaks a disc, it's not the original.
Your comments, therefore, have ZERO relevance to this thread.
And thanks for the vote of confidence.[/quote]

and what discs did you use to create your hard drive collection during those SEVEN YEARS? Did you use the same discs to load your hard drive as you used to make your back-up set of discs? Do you have two sets of original discs or just one set of original discs? If you only own ONE set of original discs; then you can't legally use your computer system and your back up discs at the same time.

I didn't infer that you bought an illegal hard drive....did you notice that I mentioned it as a side note? I was talking about other folks who have purchased their hard drives from Craig's list or E-bay and then complain when one of their employees makes a copy of it.[/quote]

I participate in other forums where members speak of having libraries with 10's of thousand of tracks, NUMBERS that few if any would have the funds to purchase. And on those forums nobody gets diverted discussing how a fellow member came by their library.

Can't we remain civil? What is accomplished by pursuing discussions like this one, BFFL?

Do you think Diafel is and idiot?

Do you want to call her some name?[/quote]

I do my best to NOT stoop to name calling. I'm just asking a question. If she is using two rigs at the same time while only owning one set of original discs, she too is on that slippery slope. You are not allowed(legally) to make duplicate back ups and use them at the same time. If you only own one set of legal discs, you can only do one show at a time regardless of which back up system you are using at the time. She started this thread by questioning someone's scruples. I'm just wondering if she knows that she may be thought of as a multi-rigger by some folks and she doesn't realize that what she is doing is technically illegal, if, in fact, she doesn't own two full sets of original CD+G discs.

OK back to the original question now that Bruce has sidetracked the thread.

Diafel I would (like most rental places) make him pay up front and get a deposit also.
(he get's the deposit refunded if the equipment is returned in the shape it was rented in)

I don't know of any rental places that rent anything that let you walk out the door without paying upfront.

How do you make him responsible for the equipment?
What happens if he breaks it?

Also rentals are rented for specific hours and must be returned by a certain time or additional charges are added on.

Just an example:
If he needs it for a gig that starts at 9pm he can pick it up no later than 7pm this should give him time to get there and set up. Must be returned by 9am next morning.

Think of it as renting a car. You pay for it upfront, pay if you put to many miles on it,
pay if you don't fill the tank when returned, pay if you wreck it, and pay more if you don't return it when the agreement says.

AS FOR BRUCE: I think she has been doing this long enough to know what is legal and what is not so stay out of her face.

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As a senior member here I feel that the basic rules of this forum have been grossly broken. I must defend diafel for if I were attacked in the same fashion I would have litigations against the owners and moderators of this forum.

As a professional I will support and defend any karaoke or DJ host here or on othe forums. I expect action to be taken.

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Diafel - If I'm understanding right you hired him to do a gig. In that case, from now on I would make arrangements to collect the money from the bar and then pay him. I wouldn't trust him to give you the money after.

If he is renting the equipment to do his own gig, charity or not, collect the money for the rental ahead of time.

He has proven he can't be trusted, period! If he wants to be treated like a child treat him that way. Don't give him the opportunity to mess with you again.

I'd also be a bit leery about letting him use your original CDGs. I'd copy them all and only let him use the copies and never the originals or the computerized rig. Another solution is to let him use your hard drive, but make it so he can't copy it. I forget what that's called.

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Brucie, go back and read Diafel's posts....she does NOT use copies....Lordy, how many ways does she have to explain this to you dudes? Get off the topic already. It is about renting out a second rig, not how many copies of your CDGs do you have and use at the same time.

We all need the extra income. Do you need a newly trained competitor that has your jobs? Schedule the jobs on nights you can work. Karaoke can work on any night of the week. Get rid of him or he will be your new competition. Then you will have less opportunity to make more money.

He hasn't finished with all of his homework. He has told you that almost word for word. He needs more time to get the model #s and wiring info. He also needs some more time to get the rest of the music.

If you give him another opportunity to work, he will complete his mission and you will have a new competitor with a brand new system exactly like yours down to every last song. And he probably has already started negotiations with the new bar owner or others to start at a reduced price.

Hate me all you want but....Sorry to tell you, it's already a done deal. I have been in your shoes and i can smell him 1000 miles away. You will only be able to slow down his efforts by not giving him anymore work. He will be up and running in your neighborhood within 6 months. GUARANTEED

YOU NEED TO GET IN A DAMAGE CONTROL MODE NOW TO SAVE EVERYTHING AND EVERY JOB YOU NOW HAVE. Start talking to your owners and explain what he is doing. Don't wait. I hope it's not too late.

QUICK PANIC.

If the guy needs to copy your equipment the chances are he will not be too good at using it.
Is there anyone here that would want to copy another KJ's gear...

I agree... there is a big difference. He basically STOLE your gear to use at this Charity event before he had to use it at the later show. That is something which I did not read clearly until I asked what type of agreement you had. At the very least, I would insist that he pay you $100 for the unauthorized use of your equipment (since that is what you agreed to charge him 2 weeks earlier for a different show). Then, FIRE his A$$. He is definitely not a person to be trusted.

All I can say to this post is, First. Send the guy packing, and NEVER let him touch your stuff again. Your singers will appreciate the fact that you are protecting yourself and them too by NOT letting this guy weasel in on your shows.

Second. BruceFan?????? Go the HE L L away and don't make accusations that are totally unfounded. I see nothing in what Diafel said that was even questionable. YOU are the questionable one her. GO AWAY and leave things alone!!!!!!!

Now you're an even BIGGER (@$%&#!)!
How many times do I need to say it?
Do you honestly think I'm an idiot?
Wait!
Don't answer that! It's obvious that you do.
Well guess what? I'm most certainly not!
First off, I've been doing this long enough and certainly have been on the board long enough to KNOW what constitutes piracy and what doesn't.
Now as for my libraries (YES TWO OF THEM!)
I own TWO SEPARATE libraries. Some of the songs are the same but some are not.
If you think back to the other threads that I KNOW you've read, you will note that I recently bought 2 sets of USED discs and was copying them in order to be able to use them for my second rig. They never have, and I daresay never will, get near my first rig. I simply do not need them to.
The copies I made are used on a daily basis rather than the originals in order to protect them from damage. NOT for multi-rigging with the same set of discs.
Having said that, if you would read my OP and my following replies, you will see that on the night in question, (last night), I prefer to STAY HOME with my family (hence, NOT WORK), which would mean that even if I was running the same library on the two rigs (which I'm NOT), I would still be well within the law since only ONE rig is being used at a time. The reason I decided to keep my second rig as disc based, even though I DO have a second computer which could be used, is to PREVENT or at least slow the STEALING of MY music files. DO you see that Bruce? MY files, which means they're MINE. Bought and PAID for!
LEGAL!
Now cut the crap with me and go away.

And just WHAT does that have to do with this thread?
Right!
Nothing!
Please don't highjack.

What !!!
He is only having a good old witch hunt.
Things got boaring since they stopped the guillotine.

Bruce. While pirates are a nusence and it is of concern.
Possibly our regular posters have already passed the moral requirements ?

Thanks to all who stood up for me. I appreciate it.
I will let him finish the next 2 Thursdays, since it's with my venue and is through me and my reputation and trust with the owner is at stake.
I just can't do them myself.
But I will drop off and pick up the gear on the same night and will also pick up pay at that time so that I will have my gear delivered on time and he will have no chance of copying my stuff. Hopefully, the new guy may work out and I can slip him in and be rid of the first guy.
Otherwise, the Saturday shows end after 2 weeks.
And thank you, Cue. I agree. He STOLE my gear and used it without my permission. The thing is, he had EVERY opportunity to ask me before hand, but didn't.
He claims it was last minute, but I suspect it was planned rather far in advance.
I mean, who organizes a charity event without organizing entertainment, or organizing it half an hour before the show is to begin?
It's not adding up to me.

Diafel, anytime you need someone to back you up.....I am a big guy with a big evil stare that will back the best of them down,,hehe.

I hope things will work out for you on this one, lots could go wrong. Think about every aspect of the situation, and try to form an answer to each problem that might arise. That might sound vague, but its good honest advise. Protect you and your investment.

[quote="mrscott @ September 20th 2009, 5:04 pm"]All I can say to this post is, First. Send the guy packing, and NEVER let him touch your stuff again. Your singers will appreciate the fact that you are protecting yourself and them too by NOT letting this guy weasel in on your shows.

Second. BruceFan?????? Go the HE L L away and don't make accusations that are totally unfounded. I see nothing in what Diafel said that was even questionable. YOU are the questionable one her. GO AWAY and leave things alone!!!!!!![/quote]

I DID NOT MAKE ANY ACCUSATIONS. I ASKED A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.......that haven't been answered. Hmmmmm!