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The first thing I ask is would I like to sing on it myself? If I wouldn't, I don't buy them. I'd rather invest a little more and have a very good product that I'm not continually replacing. No one has EVER said they didn't like the sound of their voice while singing through the 58s. In fact, most remarked about how GOOD they sound on our system. Geesh, it's the mic, stupid.

Exactly. A long time ago. I only use wired mics. Only a few people complain, but most don't care.

Gets people up off their butt and in front of people, and that's what Karaoke is about, not about singing into your beer on your barstool.

Also don't have to worry about recharging batteries and interference

Also less expensive rig.

Mcky - You're just plain wrong. Have you ever sung a song on my mics ???? The answer is NO. I use a set from NADY and you may not like them. That I can't argue with you. Yes they are plastic and won't hold to the same abuse a $600 Shure set would and could. Yes they are VHF and you can't walk a mile away with them. There are MANY reasons the $600 UHF Shure mics are better than the $50 dual set from Nady. SOUND may be one of them..... But the sound is NOT ...NOT terrible. I've used them for 2 years now and not one complaint. I sing on them and have a SM58 wired at my side all hooked up.

Is a $50 microphone as good as a $600 one --OF COURSE NOT --Only a fool would try to tell you so.

But they don't sound terrible.

They are terrible -- I have sung through them. Do I tell KJs their equipment is crap? No, I don't. They seem to get all bent out of shape and offended. Or worse, they tell me that "they are good enough for karaoke". Well, they aren't good enough for me at karaoke, and I prove that with my feet.

Do they work for some KJs? Sure. But don't pretend they sound good.



To me, they do.

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- "Not Terrible" and "Quality Sound" are two very different points on the spectrum. I have been exposed to the torture of singing on Nady wireless mics, those are usually the shows I don't stay at very long. I've yet to find a product from Nady that I'd classify above "Obviously cheap".

Sorry man, I don't know how you define "Not Terrible" but in my book, again from personal experience, I'd put Nady about a hair's width above what you can buy at Radio Shack (in fact Radio Shack used to sell Nady equipment).

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Jam, I will say that if I am given a choice of a pro-quality wired mic instead of a cheap wireless, I am happy. Then if someone actually has decent equipment like your Yamahas, and knows how to adjust it, I am ecstatic. I don't get that often, and it is getting tiresome.

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Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
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Not to derail this topic
But.... Radio Shack use to sell Microphones made by Shure also....

I'm not going to beat this subject to death. I use a $39.95 dual wireless Nady DKW DUO at my shows without any complaints, feedback issues, drop outs or other issues. All the singers have a great time and I personally don't mind singing on this mics.

That's the bottom line isn't it really ? REALLY GUYS isn't it ?

I don't expect anyone who spends $600 on a microphone or $3,000 on a mixer to say anything other than a $39 dual wireless system is junk.

Modern wireless microphone technology, which for the first time offered performance with audio and dynamic range equivalent to a cord, originated with the introduction of the first compander wireless microphone offered by Nady Systems, Inc in 1976 according to company claims. Nady systems, Inc was honored with an Emmy award for this breakthrough technical achievement in 1996.

little bit of history ........

I agree I have heard and sang on the Nady's, hated the sound.

There are 2 catagories for choosing a good mic

Cheap
Quality
Wireless

You can only pick 2!

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Having a good time and enjoying yourself is the bottom line for what we do, agreed totally.

However, there are singers who know the difference, and I've had plenty at my shows (and of course am one when I go elsewhere). I can pick out a cheap mic once I walk in the door without ever seeing it. I'm not sure about Nady's claim to being the first to use companding but I can tell you that the technology they use today works about as well as what would have been used back then. That's one of the biggest issues with cheap wireless. When you can hear the companding, as you certainly can with Nady, that's an issue. Also, if you can get it from Nady (they don't publish it online that I've been able to find) look at the response curve of their microphone elements versus that of an SM58, you'll see some other interesting differences that aren't easily overcome with a simple channel EQ. I could go on and on about what makes a good mic a good mic but we've beaten that to death previously.

All I can say (and this is going to sound insulting but I'm sorry it's calling a spade a spade) is 1. I never rely on not hearing complaints as a measure of how good my show is because simply put most people would rather just not come back than verbally complain and 2. if you can't hear the difference between your Nady's and a product from Shure then I really have to wonder about your "ear" in general.

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We can all agree though that a wired SM58 is every bit as good as the best wireless though right?

From a technical point of view; a wired 58 is better than any wireless system that use a 58 capsule.

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I would agree if there is some compression on the mic channel. I believe the compander does some compression that might help in some cases.

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Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

In a studio environment I suppose. If wired mics are vastly superior, why do we still see wireless mics in use at major concerts & TV specials (Grammy's, etc)? I don't think it's for mobility...often they never leave the mic stand!

No, I wouldn't agree. The SM58 is not the end all be all of microphones. It is a great sounding mic that is incredibly durable and reliable. They're very popular as a result and for good reason. However, for most singers, I'd still prefer a wireless Beta58 or Beta 87A to a wired SM58.

Seriously we're starting to compare apples and oranges here. The microphone cartridge is one piece of the equation. Whether it's on a wireless transmitter or hard wired it's still the same head (SM58, Beta58, etc). The second half of the equation is the transmitter/receiver package. There are varying levels of quality in that realm as well and each can have a significant impact on audio reproduction as well.

You also have to think fit for purpose here. Some singers actually match up better to an SM58 than a Beta87. Just because the Beta87 is more expensive doesn't mean that it's necessarily always going to be better for a given application.

And Jian, I disagree with you as well. I'd challenge you to a blind comparisson of an SM58 versus a UHF-R with an SM58 head. Now granted none of us here are likely going to be using a UHF-R system you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference between those and a wired mic. Even the comparisson of response curves between a wired Beta 87A and a wireless one with Shure's companding technology will show that they're essentially identical. And this is where the rubber meets the road.

EDIT: And note I'm only comparing Shure systems here for ease of comparisson. There are a number of other manu's that make some pretty killer wireless systems that often rival Shure.

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Tony I asked.



Then you say



Then you contradict yourself a paragraph later with...



I'm not trying to bust your balls to much here because I really respect your opinions but which one is it? Do you agree that a Wired 58 sounds every bit as good as a wireless or not?

If we're plotting frequency analysis on a spectrograph then we'd actually see less response from the wireless, which is what you just said to Jian.

Physic will tell you it is not possible. yes the respond cure is essential identical but not identical. Transmitter/receiver system add color to the signal. Do you see wireless mic in the recording studio?

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I can neither confirm nor deny ever having or knowing anything about nothing.... mrscott

As a matter of fact yes. In fact while I was in London I was actually fortunate enough to spend some time at Abbey Road Studios and yes they do have wireless mics that they use in the recording process.

The relatively small number of wireless mics in recording studios has nothing to do with the wireless aspect, it has everything to do with the types of mics used. Vocals, many instruments and the rooms themselves in a recording studio are typically recorded using large diaphram condensor mics, I don't know of any manufacturer that makes a wireless LDC. All in all mic'ing instruments is generally done with wired mics anwyay because threre'd be no reason to use wireless on something that doesn't move.

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Obviously not!