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Interesting another (older) link has them stating only 26K songs in '03.
http://my.att.net/p/s/community.dll?ep= ... 297985&ck=
Now they are over 200K, with discs? Wow, i've been buying discs for 20 years and am only at 12K, guess I am pretty far behind the times.

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I guess it's important for some to make assumptions about a karaoke library with 220,000 tracks, but I really don't understand why?

Years ago, when the topic of shows using loaded hard drives was first discussed, a lot of erroneous assumptions were made about those shows.

One person assumed that the library contained 220,000 DIFFERENT songs while another made an assumption about the volume of dups in such a library. Well, my library runs about 30% dups, which appears to be on the high side.

So let's say that the library of 220,000 is 30% dups. Well that leaves 154,000 unique songs. But, let's say its 50% dups. Well that's 110,000 unique songs. And with 75% dups, that's still 55,000 unique songs

And what does it mean to a business to have a karaoke library of 55,000 unique songs?

BTW, from my analysis no show would ever need to have more than 25000 songs, and that "need" would mostly insure "bragging rights" for the company more so than any possible need for having 25000 specific tracks!

And.... based upon current internet offerings, it wouldn't actually be all that expensive to amass a collection of 55000 tracks; it could probably be done for under $8,000!

Please tell me where I can legally obtain 55000 songs for an average of 15 cents each...PLEASE! And if you're referring to the used market, they'd each have to be supported by an original disc... I think that would be VERY difficult, nearly impossible.

It's not for me to understand why anyone would want 55000 tracks, so I'll repeat myself for your benefit:


I'll give you three examples and then you're on your own: The Velvet Elvis Series of 32 discs, 480 tracks delivered for $80

http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m38.l1313&_nkw=velvet+elvis+karaoke&_sacat=See-All-Categories

The 11 Disc Dangerous Collection, 166 songs delivered for $15.
http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=dangerous+karaoke&_sacat=0&_trksid=p3286.m270.l1313&_dmpt=Music_CDs&_odkw=velvet+elvis+karaoke&_osacat=0&bkBtn=

68 Sweet Georgia Brown Discs, over 1000 songs, delivered for $69

http://cgi.ebay.com/68-Disc-Sweet-Georgia-Brown-Karaoke-CDG-Set-1000-Songs_W0QQitemZ390166720087QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item5ad7bfae57

And those 1649 tracks cost $165 or .0975 per track. Oh, and while it's not the right way to look at it, if I have 30% dups in the bunch, it works out to $0.14 for each unique song in the collection. But, again, for me that is not the correct way to look at it!

And several members have pointed out lots of deals of late for top name discs under $5 and for as little as $2.

And even with these examples there are those who will be skeptical of my claim. I really don't care. I have amassed an amazing collection using my own approach, which of course, has resulted in a very high duplication rate. But so what? They are all on the same HD and I can only play one track at a time, anyway!

BTW: If you don't think the people with the loaded HD's don't have these exact sets, you're very mistaken. I've been to enough of those type of shows in the last 5 years to know for a fact that they do! Remember, most of these guys have no song books and let you look at their search screen to select a song or a manufacturer if you ask! And even if you don't ask, you can see what's on the screen!

And yes, this project can be enhanced by purchasing used discs from people going out of business, and I've gotten some excellent values on individual used discs sold on the internet.

And I don't really follow this comment about used discs:

TVMod, they advertised 220,000, then apparently took out all their SC, leaving them with 180,000 titles. That leaves 40,000 SC titles. Now taking an average of 15 titles per disc, that means they had a minimum of 2,600 and some odd discs. The average price of SC on Ebay is a little over $15 each (provided you could even get the whole library there). Even at $10 each that's over $26,000, at $15 per is $39,000. That's just SC not including the other 180,000 titles. C'mon get real, this is either a pirate, a very poor business person, or a millionaire with nothing better to do.

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And what is it that I am suppose to "get real" about?

My post simply suggested that it serves no useful purpose for this forum when people generalize in negative terms about the quality of the show put on by pirates or generalize about the composition of and the cost associated with having a large library as possessed by most pirates!

And where did I proffer an opinion as to whether the 220,000 library being discussed was legal or not?

BTW, I own less than 100 SC discs, most of which were purchased on e-bay. And I can assure you that the average price I paid wasn't anywhere near $15. And furthermore, one can chose to purchase or not purchase discs at $15 each! No one forces anyone to pay more money than they would like for any product!

NO sane karaoke business will buy/own 200,000 legal english karaoke tracks.

There are probably at most 50-80,000 different karaoke songs avalible, so a 200k list would be mostly duplicates.

Even if a KJ was only paying .15 a song for some of the tracks many would have to be bought for much more if one goes to the bigger companies that have large selections.

While redundancy and having different versions is important, it is not that much of a draw once you already have 2-3 versions of a song, and are shopping for the next 10 different versions. Most KJs stop intentionaly buying specific songs once they get a good version of any one song.

The first 100,000 songs one could buy would include ALL of the unique songs and a whole lot of unavoidable duplicates. The next 100,000 songs that a KJ would buy would nearly ALL be duplicates. At 0.15 cents a song that is $15,000 but a more reasonable estimate would be $1 a song, or $100,000. FOR NO or very few NEW songs. What sane KJ (or business) can work that way?????

I heard of a few of those companies but don't know them personally. Wow, wonder what happens next. Maybe I get a show or two out of it

This "Big dog" Karaoke removed 40,000 SC titles.....

But SC has only made about 1000 spotlight disks plus 100 or so disks in various mortar/brick packs.

The other disks SC made are mostly re-packing the same tracks into artist only disks.

So in total SC has only made <20,000 different songs.

So if BIG DOG had 40,000 SC tracks they had the same CD in the database multiple times or they bought both the complete Spotlight series, 15k, Bricks +mortar 1k and 500 more Star series disks for another 8k (half with vocals). Throw in another 1-2k for the smaller product lines and you are still less than 30k.

Are you suggesting that any karaoke business with $100,000 worth of tracks couldn't be legal or are you just pontificating?

Your point about redundancy is excellent and should be considered by folks who scoff at libraries with a large number of duplicates

Who is still at less than 30k what? What are you saying?

Someone mentioned that for a person to possess that many songs, it could be a millionaire with nothing better to. I personally know just such a multi-millionaire. He's a karaoke freak and has a thing for complete sets.

As of this moment, BigDog doesn't seem to be the least bit perturbed about being accused and pursued by SC and maintains that he is innocent - though he is no longer stating the size of his library on his website.

Time will tell. I fully expect most of these guys will settle with SC and piracy will once again prevail over the honest KJ. And while SC will facilitate pirates staying in business, the honest KJ will derive little if any benefit from from the effort. We'll see!

From my point of view, if one has a successful business, giving SC $6500 to get them out of your hair is more than worth it!

I am not saying that a KJ with $100k invested in 100,000 karaoke songs is irrational, only that spending the SECOND $100k on nearly all the same 100,000 songs in duplicate or triplicate.

As for the my other post I was referring to 40,000 sound choice tracks, that BIG DOG removed, considering that SC only has made about 30,000 tracks at most including tracks with vocals.

It BIG DOG must be counting the same tracks from the same company multiple times, which means that they are duplicates that can serve no purpose at all.

Splitting hairs here but it really wouldn't take that much money. I just bought the December 09 Karaoke Kurrents collection for $21 plus $3 s/h and it has 100 songs. I've bought a lot of my songs in lots in deals and overall, I haven't spend 1 for 1. Maybe 40 or 50 disks where I paid well over a buck a song but overall, no. Plus if that guy really has 220 thousand songs, don't you think it's probably 75% or more dupes?

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Since I just left this site and it is fresh in my mind:

http://tsckaraoke.com/

Check out the $.99 discs on the home page.

Then look on the far left and click on "Big Dave's Big Deals" where you'll find $1.99 discs. I ordered 9 discs that I "needed"!

I first did business with this fellow through an ebay offering of Sound Choice Discs that cost me about $6 a piece

What the heck. A person with a bizillion songs could advertise that they have all the versions available, including the worst ones. Come on in and get your Nutech fix.

That's just it, those $.99 sales are generally because the music is so bad, that nobody wants them to begin with. And those that do are just trying to keep up with their 'bigger is better' and 'more is better' stance.
Sorry, still do not believe 220K songs would be bought by any sane company and have the discs to back them up!

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Usually. The one exception in my opinion is the Pop Hits disks, many of which I got for 1.00. I also got most of the DK Millennium for $2.00 to $5.00 per disk, over a year's period.

The rest of the cheap disks I bought early on (CKC, MM, Nutech) are now on the scrap heap. They gave me coverage early, before I knew I was nuts about karaoke and would be staying with it, but they aren't used any more. I never paid more than $2.00 a disk for them.

Most of the stuff I play now is PH, DK, CB, SBI, Zoom, SF/LG, and SC. A couple of Monster Hits disks still get play, and one or two Top Tunes.

SGB is kind of a special case. I keep them around because they have a lot of stuff that is not out on anything else, and they have a number of tracks where the music is very good. Their lyrics are uniformly awful, but the tunes are not bad at all.

All in all I built a pretty good library in less than 3 years. Quite a few dupes, but good coverage.

If Sound Choice would have kept their custom disk business going I would have purchased quite a few more from them, as they have many one-of-a-kind tracks. I was on my 12th custom ten-song disk when they quit. But C'est la vie. I have 10,500 unique tracks, and rarely does someone come up with an artist I don't have decent coverage on.

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