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My advise would fall along the line of Lonman. Go to ebay, buy the SC packages, start from there. Great core set, you will get a pretty good price and you know you will have songs that people will want to sing. Supercore isn't bad, same with KK. But there's a pretty good chance you will find yourself replacing most of those songs with SC, PHM, and/or CB.

Yep, majority of new businesses fail. Although I already knew this, I learned it all over again in business classes since that was my major in college. Good thing about the karaoke business, you can start slow, keep it as a side job. Don't quit your day job. Now buy quality tracks from quality manus, build your library up slow. I had less than 2000 songs when I started my first gigs. That included a number of SGB songs. Not many of them got played. Again, there are some that aren't that bad. But once you build your library up to a decent level (to me that is 5000 or more depending on the quality and what people in your area or market like to hear) Those SGB songs won't show up much. So now you have an inventory that is stagnating. Not good business practice. JMHO.

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I agree with Joe. There are decent options for a reasonable price out there. I wouldn't bother with SC for two reasons -- one -- you don't need the potential legal hassle, and two, you'll spend a ton for a bunch of songs that nobody will ever sing.

Bring in a decent set to your shows and a killer personality and you can't lose.

Birdofsong

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What is sang at one show may be dead at another. The SC sets are just a basic core of most of the popular karaoke songs that someone will be able to find something to sing. I do agree with - you will have alot of songs that no one will sing - but you never know WHAT those will be. What some people list here (when the occasional thread of what is normally sung comes up), those songs are complete coasters at my shows, but on the flipside, the songs that are sang at mine are coasters at their shows. What is 'filler' to some shows are 'killer' at others.

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..........But there's a pretty good chance you will find yourself replacing most of those songs with SC, PHM, and/or CB...

......Now buy quality tracks from quality manus....



build your library up slow. I had less than 2000 songs when I started my first gigs. That included a number of SGB songs. Not many of them got played. Again, there are some that aren't that bad. But once you build your library up to a decent level (to me that is 5000 or more depending on the quality and what people in your area or market like to hear) Those SGB songs won't show up much. So now you have an inventory that is stagnating. Not good business practice. JMHO.[/quote]

First- and this only my opinion- I while SC and CB make good products, I wouldn't consider PHM/THM a "quality" manufacturer. In my opinion they are generic tracks- not bad, not good, just useable. What keeps T/PHM in business is the speed of their releases, not track quality.

BTW, I assume you meant that the SGB tracks would be replaced by others, not so much DK and SPC.

I pretty much agree with the rest of your post up to the "stagnation" part.

First: Like the quality or not, SGB still has tracks that the others don't.

Second, and much more important. 66 SGB disc go for under $100 - about the same as a Shure SM54 wired mic. NOT a major investment.

CB makes great country genre karaoke. However, if the trend changes in your area as it did mine, you'll get stuck for much more stagnated inventory dollars than the SGB set.

( BTW- SuperCore also makes an "All Country" series. while certainly no rival to CB in the genre, they are WAY better than PHM's and much less expensive than both, with more keepers per disc).

Speaking of "keepers": SC spotlight series have, I believe, 15 tracks per disc. Most ( with some rare exceptional discs) have 3-4 "keepers" per disc. Even at today's reduced ( they were $24- 27 back in the day) pricing of around $17-18 per disc, that's over $4 per keeper.

Now take a SuperCore disc, which are good quality: They contain anywhere from 18-22 tracks with MOST being keepers. At around $12-$13 per disc, that's about $0.65 per KEEPER. A much better value, and way more USEABLE titles for the money.

BTW- though I've only been using a few labels as examples, there are BUNCHES of high quality mfr. discs available. Though recently there has been a ban on importing UK product for resale or distribution, those here are completely legal to use. There are plenty of Zoom, Legends, Gnome, Capitol, and other brands out there. Also, the same applies to mfrs. that have closed their doors- their product didn't disappear of the face of the Earth. Priddis and Top Tunes are very high quality - some of the best- examples out there.

Don't discount "Dept. Store" brands either. BillboardSybersound/Party Tyme makes some VERY nice stuff.

What I'm saying with all of this is that I think a startup library should be built up a bit at a time as money starts coming in, rather than investing thousand in huge sets of music, most of which may never be used. Ripman, I believe you said the same when you mentioned building a library slowly.

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i do pretty much agree with Joe. if i had not gotten a stupid deal on a KJ Retiring, i would not have started with almost 10,000 individual titles. until you see what is going to hit in your area, some of the less expensive, but quality sets are great. after hearing, and subsequently buying, the Party Tyme discs to fill newer holes, grabbing some of those packs could give you tons of great, and keeper tracks for under a grand. SGB though not my choice, does have many songs that NO ONE ELSE put out. even MM put out some stuff that continues to surprise me (as long as the song had no horns.....*shiver*) i am just discovering Supercore myself, so i will default to Joe's experience over me on those. buy/lease/ argument aside, the SC GEM and CB Essentials have the "must haves" but i don't know how that relates to todays crowds. i am looking at a second system and am realizing i am going to have a b!&@h of a time finding some of these discs again and if i could do it again, i may just do what is being suggested here.

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Adding to Paradigm's post:

Music Maestro has always been considered great for Oldies/ Doo-Wop only- not so much the other stuff.

DISCLAIMER: I push the SuperCore products a lot. I want it known that I am in no way connected to the label/manufacturer at all.

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[quote="ripman8"]For the right price, I would be interested. Entertaining getting a 2nd rig.

Would also depend on the song titles and manus.[/quote]
Let me no how we can get togeather by phone or email to let you no what cdg brands i have will only sell as a package deal. ronjr

This may be the answer:
http://www.karaokeware.com/kjmprohd.html

This is what I've been waiting for and perhaps the most significant advancement for KJ's. It's ingenious! Way to go Chartbuster and Invicion!

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that is a great way to do it!!
serial numbers, Like Chip's suggestion, and even incorporates discs you have or get in the future for stuff not included in the program. i might have to learn to like compuhost.....maybe.
i wonder who else's material is on it besides CB (the whole eff'n library!!!)
just checked out
CB site too, 1 credit per song, credits at the most expemnsive are 25 for $1.80 each. $1.80 per song, beats the hell out of ANY custom disc maker anywhere.
not thrilled about having to spend $180.00 on hosting software i dont like to use the service, but otherwise $200.00 for a hard drive and 50 songs aint bad. thats only $4.00 a song and comparable to most customs.

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I second the Sweet Georgia Brown purchase.. 1200 songs for $60? You can't beat it.

Sure there are plenty of stinkers in the collection, but there are certainly plenty of decent tracks in that collection to more than make up for the $60 eBay price.

How many SoundChoice discs you going to get for $60?

Blindly spending thousands on music no one will EVER request is just stupid. I say start with a decent broad collection at a low price point, and build your catalog from there based on singers requests.

The truth of the matter is, I could do all my weekly shows with less than 200 tracks.. it's knowing what 200 tracks to have that makes the difference.. and the only way you'll learn that is to jump in and start gigging.

And those 200 tracks may not work in the show next door or down the street.
I could run with 200 tracks most likely as well in my current club, but KNOW those selections would not work in others.

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Paradigm, where did you find the pricing? I went to chartbuster site but didn't find pricing options.

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Found it, thanks google!


This could be a good system, hope the other manus follow suit with compuhost.

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KingBing Entertainment C'mon Up! I have a song for you!!! [font=MS Sans Serif][/font]

Hey folks - thanks for the good advice on music tracks. I purchased the SuperCore 2008 + Karaoke Hits on Ebay. I only got 16 SuperCore cds. I saw here that Joe mentioned 1-38 - where do I get the others? Can't seem to find info for them on the web except for ebay and amazon. Any direction is appreciated.