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Chris,

If this was your only method of support, I don't think you'd be as picky. Since you have a full-time day job, you can afford to do that, but many KJs cannot.

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Birdofsong

Bird - Never presume to think you know what someone might do if circumstances were different. It is alway a guess.

-Chris

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-Chris

OK..here is the difference..they are paying you to do a job for them....A JOB....Now when they hire me they are paying to see MY show as is...SHOW!!! not job..big difference..they do NOT mean the same thing. Look it up in the Dictionary
JOB:A Piece Of Work. Something that has to be done
SHOW:A Theatrical presention
Now...do these sound the same..i rest my case

Yep big difference. I treat all my contracts as a job. I work with my clubs that PAY me. If they don't want certain things in the show they hire me for, then so be it. Many clubs don't want cussing in a show performed at THEIR club that PAYS you! Guess you wouldn't have been one to have a 20 year contract at one club up here.

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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/job
1. a piece of work, especially a specific task done as part of the routine of one's occupation or for an agreed price.
2. a post of employment; full-time or part-time position.
3. anything a person is expected or obliged to do; duty; responsibility.
4. an affair, matter, occurrence, or state of affairs.
5. the material, project, assignment, etc., being worked upon.

Gee.... Sure sounds like your SHOW fits under definition 1, 2, and 3.

Her "guess" is not an uneducated one nor is it a "presumption" that is pulled from thin air.


You can be as picky as you like with your karaoke endeavor... and as unemployed at the same time.

But with a back-up job at MicroSoft, it's really easy to be picky about your hobby... and that's what it is - only a hobby - not your main source of income.

A "show" requires rehearsals..... Your karaoke job is an unstructured, unrehearsed, impromptu exhibition of amateur singing.....

It's not a "show" even though that has been the term used to describe it for years.

Think more along the lines of "organ grinder".... the patrons are your performing monkeys and if you can attract enough monkeys to perform, you'll end up with something at the bottom of your tin cup.

Some might not like that description.... but it's closer to the truth than "a show." Even if you are replaced by someone else, the patrons will like them too eventually because the draw is the club.... Unless your actions are driving business away.

"Think more along the lines of "organ grinder".... the patrons are your performing monkeys and if you can attract enough monkeys to perform, you'll end up with something at the bottom of your tin cup." - c. staley

Do the patrons at any organ grinding you are responsible for know that you see them as monkeys?

"Your karaoke job is an unstructured, unrehearsed, impromptu exhibition of amateur singing..." - c. staley

Exhibition, presentation, public expression.... wait for it... ENTERTAINMENT!

Emcee - (MC or Master of Ceremonies or Host)

Disc Jockey - (DJ or KJ as the case may be)

Those sound like a couple of "jobs" or occupations that control and produce entertainment (show, act, gig or in your case; organ grinding).

You must concede that not everything is unstructured. Think about your library, your equipment, your rotation, your time limits, etc.
You have many things to consider when structuring your organ grinding. This thread is about explicit lyrics and that is just one example.

You must concede that not everything in unrehearsed. Think about the organ grinder's announcing style, the songs the organ grinder may sing (more than once), jokes pertaining to organ grinding and monkeys, the information and instruction that an organ grinder would give to the monkeys. Some of them actually rehearse their songs before they're attracted to organ grindings presented by an organ grinder.

Did a little research and thought this might give you some insight into a the organ grinder's mentality:

From wikipedia:

"The organ grinder was a musical novelty street performer of the 19th century and the early part of the 20th century, and refers to the operator of a street organ.

Period literature often represents the grinder as a gentleman of ill repute or as an unfortunate representative of the lower classes."

and

"... disappearance of organ grinders from European streets was in large part due to the early application of national and international Copyright laws. At the end of the 19th and the beginning of the 20th century European publishers of sheet music and the holders of copyrights to the most popular operatic tunes of the day often banded together in order to enforce collection of performance duties from any musician playing their property in any venue."

I'm kidding... but how old are you c. staley? Your analogy would indicate that you've seen this all before.

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Never the same show twice!

Used to do the same thing, but called it the 'cuss bucket'. End of each month, we'd draw a name from the karaoke singers' slips present that night.

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DJ Don

I knew you wouldn't be able to resist.


Putting words in my mouth? How thoughtful of you!



there are quite a few amateur singers that are very entertaining so on that point I would have to agree with you.


And it is also an example of how "unstructured" it really is. Case in point being the singer who was not allowed to sing explicit lyrics but chose instead to scream a profanity that wasn't part of the song and then simply walk away.



Now you're confusing the entertainment value provided by the organ grinder his/herself which is completely separate from those of the performing patrons.


Yes, you are kidding.

A guess is always a guess....You may attempt to justify and reinforce the guess as much as you like, but it will always be a guess.

I don't do shows for churches or religious organizations....
I don't do kids shows....

These are choices I make based on personal preferences just like my choice to not take jobs that restrict language. It has nothing to do with my day job. I can state with utmost assurance that I would not change my mind even if karaoke were my sole source of income.

-Chris

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-Chris

Kind of like guessing whether or not Windows 8 will be full of bugs on it's launch?



I can state with utmost assurance that you'd shovel fish guts and do both religious and kids shows if your family were dependent on you.

Or, maybe you could train your two dogs to chase down a few rabbits?

-Chris[/quote]

Again your wrong my SHOW falls under theatrical presention...not job...you never been to one of my show so you dont know.

Many years ago, I was walking my two year old daughter through a mall when we happened across a crowd of people in a circle. We heard music, laughter and excitement from the crowd, so we pressed our way into the circle to see what was happening. To our surprise, in the center of this crowd was an organ grinder with a monkey!

We stood there for half an hour watching in amazement as the organ grinder cranked away at his antique organ and directed his monkey to perform amazing tricks, hand out candy to the kids and collect tips from anyone who held out a donation.

It was a very entertaining performance for all who attended, and I consider it nothing less than a great show orchestrated by the organ grinder himself.

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OK again this is where your wrong..it is not unstructured or unrehearsed..again speaking from someone who has not been at my show.

Ok I think it comes down to this some of us dont mind people controling your job/my show for a buck others of us have a way we like things done..and a $$$$ wont change our minds. neither way is not wrong. But If they want me there..I lay out a list of rules and how I run the show..If they dont like it ..they can find someone elso..I dont have a problem with walking away...because there is always someplace else. I have been doing this here in salina for 10yrs and I know what works
Again we will just have to agree to disagree

I'd venture to guess if you had children to feed and no day job, and no income coming in, you'd probably scrub their toilets for them, too, if they said it was part of the job, if it meant the difference between feeding your children and not feeding them.

Nobody really knows what they'll do until they're hungry. It's easy to be cavalier when you're not. I can tell by your attitude that you've never really struggled. I hope you never do.

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Birdofsong

Never, Obama's going back in and everyone will have "sunshine, lipops, and rainbows". He will feed you all with bread and fishes and it will be a Utopia, full of love and hope. Darn I gotta stop typing this stuff when I'm eating.

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You can be strange but not a stranger

Why stop only when you're eating?

Oh woe is me, I have been cut down by Chippie's rapier sharp wit.

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