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Even if burned discs could be traced back to where it originally came from, I for one would have a problem with homemade tracks for the fact that if it isn't out by a karaoke manufacturer then the appropriate licenses have not been met and even if the bar's prs fees are up to date isn't gonna protect me from a lawsuit from the producers. So no burns and no homemade tracks for me.

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BruceFan4Life wrote:
My home made tracks are just as legal as the All Hits versions and SGB versions of Closer. At least I paid for the music I used to make them.

Did you pay for the licensing for the word sweeps?? And how would I know if you did?

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That wouldn't stop you from playing a SGB Disc would it?


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No KJ ever has, or ever will get into legal trouble for playing a customer's burn........that's just the reality......


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Even if burned discs could be traced back to where it originally came from, I for one would have a problem with homemade tracks for the fact that if it isn't out by a karaoke manufacturer then the appropriate licenses have not been met and even if the bar's prs fees are up to date isn't gonna protect me from a lawsuit from the producers. So no burns and no homemade tracks for me.


what producers are going to take you to court over some random guy who showed up with a disc full of homemade karaoke songs? Is Bruce Springsteen going to take you to court because I sang "TRAPPED" at your show? However he might get interested if I produced ten thousand copies of a Springsteen disc with 15 songs on it and sold them to the karaoke wharehouse for 15 dollars apiece. That would be $150,000 worth of sales that they would want thier cut of. When I make a karaoke track, it is for my own personal use. Luckily for me, I've raely run into a karaoke host who feels the way that you do about home made tracks.


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BruceFan4Life wrote:
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Even if burned discs could be traced back to where it originally came from, I for one would have a problem with homemade tracks for the fact that if it isn't out by a karaoke manufacturer then the appropriate licenses have not been met and even if the bar's prs fees are up to date isn't gonna protect me from a lawsuit from the producers. So no burns and no homemade tracks for me.


what producers are going to take you to court over some random guy who showed up with a disc full of homemade karaoke songs? Is Bruce Springsteen going to take you to court because I sang "TRAPPED" at your show? However he might get interested if I produced ten thousand copies of a Springsteen disc with 15 songs on it and sold them to the karaoke wharehouse for 15 dollars apiece. That would be $150,000 worth of sales that they would want thier cut of. When I make a karaoke track, it is for my own personal use. Luckily for me, I've raely run into a karaoke host who feels the way that you do about home made tracks.

I won't play SC or CB burns, either. It's not just homemade songs.

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No KJ ever has, or ever will get into legal trouble for playing a customer's burn........that's just the reality......

What about if the SC man is skulking around your show and sees a customer burn of their stuff??

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No KJ ever has, or ever will get into legal trouble for playing a customer's burn........that's just the reality......


They usually take that stand for other reasons. The most prevalent reason is that they just play songs from their hard drives and feel insulted when you don't want to sing one of their songs. There are so many new pirates in the industry that just don't know how to or they just don't want to play any discs at their show. They feel that their collection of songs should be enough for anybody to find a song to sing. Anyone who wants to sing something special is just dismissed as just another karaoke diva who only sips water all night and isn't worth having at their show.

Seems like they are just KJs with an inferiority complex who feel threatened somehow by people who have songs that they don't have. Maybe they should buy expensive sportts cars to make up for their inadequacies. What's really funny is that if Quick Hits or Singers Solutions put out the same song; they don't ask for proof that the proper sync rights have been paid for. They just order the disc and rip it to their hard drive, no questions asked. The best ones are the pirates who bought a loaded hard drive with 150,000 songs two years ago and haven't added a new song since. They have it in their minds that no one should ever need more songs than what they have. These are the same guys that won't play someone else's burned disc and they don't have a single song that they actually purchased. the main reason they won't play a customer disc is that they just don't know how to do it so they come up with some BS reason for not playing a customer's custom disc.

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No KJ ever has, or ever will get into legal trouble for playing a customer's burn........that's just the reality......

What about if the SC man is skulking around your show and sees a customer burn of their stuff??


and the odds of an SC investigator being at your show the same night I show up looking to sing a home made song is about a million to one. Like I said earlier. I'm glad that most karaoke hosts around my area aren't that paranoid. I recently had one tell me that my discs might contain a virus that I'm not even aware of and that is why he would not play any of my discs. LOL That guy had every computer gadget hooked up but couldn't or wouldn't play a disc for a new customer. Like I have nothing better to do than try to attack some karaoke host's computer with a virus. Just about every All Hits disc contains tracks that were not properly licensed. There are planty of KJs out there that are VERY PROUD to own an original SC8125 disc and they use them regularly at their shows. Why aren't they afraid of using those discs but they're afraid to use a customer's disc with home made tracks on it? Sound Choice didn't get the proper licenses to make that disc but everyone wants to have one of them. Don Henley's attorneys are not lurking around every corner looking for some karaoke host to use a Sound Choice disc with an Eagles song on it.

This is exactly the situation that Sound Choice wants to exist. Everyone is afraid of the Big Bad wolf and they start to believe all of their propaganda.USE THE GEM SERIES OR ELSE! SEVENTY SOME PEOPLE IN CALIFORNIA DARED TO STAND UP AND FIGHT AND....WHAT DO YOU KNOW??? The cases all got dismissed...WITH PREJUDICE...SAY IT ISN'T SO.


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BruceFan4Life wrote:
johnny reverb wrote:
No KJ ever has, or ever will get into legal trouble for playing a customer's burn........that's just the reality......


They usually take that stand for other reasons. The most prevalent reason is that they just play songs from their hard drives and feel insulted when you don't want to sing one of their songs. There are so many new pirates in the industry that just don't know how to or they just don't want to play any discs at their show. They feel that their collection of songs should be enough for anybody to find a song to sing. Anyone who wants to sing something special is just dismissed as just another karaoke diva who only sips water all night and isn't worth having at their show.

Seems like they are just KJs with an inferiority complex who feel threatened somehow by people who have songs that they don't have. Maybe they should buy expensive sportts cars to make up for their inadequacies. What's really funny is that if Quick Hits or Singers Solutions put out the same song; they don't ask for proof that the proper sync rights have been paid for. They just order the disc and rip it to their hard drive, no questions asked. The best ones are the pirates who bought a loaded hard drive with 150,000 songs two years ago and haven't added a new song since. They have it in their minds that no one should ever need more songs than what they have. These are the same guys that won't play someone else's burned disc and they don't have a single song that they actually purchased. the main reason they won't play a customer disc is that they just don't know how to do it so they come up with some BS reason for not playing a customer's custom disc.

Pirates who don't know how to sail a ship. what a concept!

Not everyone who doesn't play burns is a pirate. If you hand me an actual karaoke disc I will gladly play it for you.

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BruceFan4Life wrote:
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No KJ ever has, or ever will get into legal trouble for playing a customer's burn........that's just the reality......

What about if the SC man is skulking around your show and sees a customer burn of their stuff??


and the odds of an SC investigator being at your show the same night I show up looking to sing a home made song is about a million to one. Like I said earlier. I'm glad that most karaoke hosts around my area aren't that paranoid. I recently had one tell me that my discs might contain a virus that I'm not even aware of and that is why he would not play any of my discs. LOL That guy had every computer gadget hooked up but couldn't or wouldn't play a disc for a new customer. Like I have nothing better to do than try to attack some karaoke host's computer with a virus. Just about every All Hits disc contains tracks that were not properly licensed. There are planty of KJs out there that are VERY PROUD to own an original SC8125 disc and they use them regularly at their shows. Why aren't they afraid of using those discs but they're afraid to use a customer's disc with home made tracks on it? Sound Choice didn't get the proper licenses to make that disc but everyone wants to have one of them. Don Henley's attorneys are not lurking around every corner looking for some karaoke host to use a Sound Choice disc with an Eagles song on it.

This is exactly the situation that Sound Choice wants to exist. Everyone is afraid of the Big Bad wolf and they start to believe all of their propaganda.USE THE GEM SERIES OR ELSE! SEVENTY SOME PEOPLE IN CALIFORNIA DARED TO STAND UP AND FIGHT AND....WHAT DO YOU KNOW??? The cases all got dismissed...WITH PREJUDICE...SAY IT ISN'T SO.

I don't use the GEM series, nor will I ever. But I had a weird experience one night with a guy that wanted to do a Lynyrd Skynyrd song. I didn't have the CB version he wanted, so he went "home" to get it. Came back, gave me a burn. I said I wouldn't play it, and told him why. He went out to his car and got the actual CB disc, so I played that. The guy was never seen before, nor since. Seemed to me he was "Da Man" come to check out my show. He actually commended me for not playing the burned copy. That kind of spooked me into not playing customer burns.

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No KJ ever has, or ever will get into legal trouble for playing a customer's burn........that's just the reality......


They usually take that stand for other reasons. The most prevalent reason is that they just play songs from their hard drives and feel insulted when you don't want to sing one of their songs. There are so many new pirates in the industry that just don't know how to or they just don't want to play any discs at their show. They feel that their collection of songs should be enough for anybody to find a song to sing. Anyone who wants to sing something special is just dismissed as just another karaoke diva who only sips water all night and isn't worth having at their show.

Seems like they are just KJs with an inferiority complex who feel threatened somehow by people who have songs that they don't have. Maybe they should buy expensive sportts cars to make up for their inadequacies. What's really funny is that if Quick Hits or Singers Solutions put out the same song; they don't ask for proof that the proper sync rights have been paid for. They just order the disc and rip it to their hard drive, no questions asked. The best ones are the pirates who bought a loaded hard drive with 150,000 songs two years ago and haven't added a new song since. They have it in their minds that no one should ever need more songs than what they have. These are the same guys that won't play someone else's burned disc and they don't have a single song that they actually purchased. the main reason they won't play a customer disc is that they just don't know how to do it so they come up with some BS reason for not playing a customer's custom disc.

Pirates who don't know how to sail a ship. what a concept!

Not everyone who doesn't play burns is a pirate. If you hand me an actual karaoke disc I will gladly play it for you.


Then Sound Choice has beaten you into submission. They have got you so scared that there is a law suit waiting around every corner, that you won't play a customer's disc that has ZERO chance of you getting sued.


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BruceFan4Life wrote:
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BruceFan4Life wrote:
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No KJ ever has, or ever will get into legal trouble for playing a customer's burn........that's just the reality......


They usually take that stand for other reasons. The most prevalent reason is that they just play songs from their hard drives and feel insulted when you don't want to sing one of their songs. There are so many new pirates in the industry that just don't know how to or they just don't want to play any discs at their show. They feel that their collection of songs should be enough for anybody to find a song to sing. Anyone who wants to sing something special is just dismissed as just another karaoke diva who only sips water all night and isn't worth having at their show.

Seems like they are just KJs with an inferiority complex who feel threatened somehow by people who have songs that they don't have. Maybe they should buy expensive sportts cars to make up for their inadequacies. What's really funny is that if Quick Hits or Singers Solutions put out the same song; they don't ask for proof that the proper sync rights have been paid for. They just order the disc and rip it to their hard drive, no questions asked. The best ones are the pirates who bought a loaded hard drive with 150,000 songs two years ago and haven't added a new song since. They have it in their minds that no one should ever need more songs than what they have. These are the same guys that won't play someone else's burned disc and they don't have a single song that they actually purchased. the main reason they won't play a customer disc is that they just don't know how to do it so they come up with some BS reason for not playing a customer's custom disc.

Pirates who don't know how to sail a ship. what a concept!

Not everyone who doesn't play burns is a pirate. If you hand me an actual karaoke disc I will gladly play it for you.


Then Sound Choice has beaten you into submission. They have got you so scared that there is a law suit waiting around every corner, that you won't play a customer's disc that has ZERO chance of you getting sued.

I guess it would depend on who the customer is. If I knew the person, then maybe I would play the disk.

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Well, I guess that's a start. If I show up with a karaoke track that neither SC or CB has ever produced; where is the legal threat? You keep telling people that SC is the only company that you have to worry about yet you are worried about what would happen to you if you play a customer's disc that has no Sound Choice tracks on it unless you know the person.

You may be doing all of the right things that SC wants you to do , like only playing their tracks from their original discs, but you are still cowering in the corner because they have you thinking that you can get sued for playing a home made track. Talk about walking on egg shells. I guess their plan is working ; at least in your town.

If you had the capability to create your own karaoke tracks, would you not use them at your shows? Has anyone ever been sued for making a karaoke track for themself? I have never heard of it happening. Isn't there a song that you would love to have in karaoke format that just isn't available? If someone made it for you; what would be the harm and who would be the victim. Who could possibly be at your show that would see a home made track and say to themselves: "I think someone is breaking the law by making a home made track. I'm going to file a law suit tomorrow because I think it will generate a HUGE pay day for someone"?


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Well, I guess that's a start. If I show up with a karaoke track that neither SC or CB has ever produced; where is the legal threat? You keep telling people that SC is the only company that you have to worry about yet you are worried about what would happen to you if you play a customer's disc that has no Sound Choice tracks on it unless you know the person.

You may be doing all of the right things that SC wants you to do , like only playing their tracks from their original discs, but you are still cowering in the corner because they have you thinking that you can get sued for playing a home made track. Talk about walking on egg shells. I guess their plan is working ; at least in your town.

If you had the capability to create your own karaoke tracks, would you not use them at your shows? Has anyone ever been sued for making a karaoke track for themself? I have never heard of it happening. Isn't there a song that you would love to have in karaoke format that just isn't available? If someone made it for you; what would be the harm and who would be the victim. Who could possibly be at your show that would see a home made track and say to themselves: "I think someone is breaking the law by making a home made track. I'm going to file a law suit tomorrow because I think it will generate a HUGE pay day for someone"?

Stupid question: Why are you riding my (@$%&#!) about this?? This is just my policy as a host. I don't know what the whole third degree is about. You run your show the way you like, and I will run mine the way I like. As it is, I already do a few questionable things, like use UK downloads, and my DK collection came off a couple SCDG's that I have taken a lot of crap from Lonnie over. I won't be ripping my SC discs to my hard drive because I don't want any BS, and I refuse to get audited. So why would I use something that was a copy of something else?

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Just the other day, someone here was looking for a particular version of "CANDLE IN THE WIND". Both versions are very similar but if you are expectong one and end up getting the other, you will most likely trip over the parts that are different.



Nicely played, however I did not trip up. Not saying I'm exactly a professional singer, but if you think of it, Us KJs who do sing, are being paid to sing, and seeing that this is all I do now, it's my profession, so by definition I'm a a professional Singer/host/soundman. :)

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I'm not trying to ride your (@$%&#!). I'm trying to find out why your fear of Sound Choice has made you afraid of things that are not remotely related to Sound Choice. I can certainly understand your feelings towards dealing with a company like Sound Choice. I just don't understand why you would be afraid to play a track made by the guy who makes Dancing Frog Karaoke, for example. Who could possibly come into one of your shows and decide that you were committing some sort of karaoke crime because you were playing a Dancing Frog Karaoke track? They don't have any Sound Choice logos hidden in them. The guy that makes them also makes karaoke tracks for Sunfly and he is as happy as a lark that people enjoy using his karaoke files and he doesn't charge a penny for them. They are just as good as any Sweet Georgia Brown discs. I'm just curious as to why you would be afraid to play them. I guess if someone had one of those really good printers that could print right onto the disc, you might think that it was a "REAL" karaoke disc. I guess people who live around these parts aren't as afraid as you are of the Big Bad Wolf at the door. Thank God!


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Just the other day, someone here was looking for a particular version of "CANDLE IN THE WIND". Both versions are very similar but if you are expectong one and end up getting the other, you will most likely trip over the parts that are different.



Nicely played, however I did not trip up. Not saying I'm exactly a professional singer, but if you think of it, Us KJs who do sing, are being paid to sing, and seeing that this is all I do now, it's my profession, so by definition I'm a a professional Singer/host/soundman. :)


I'm glad to see that you didn't trip, but that doesn't mean that the "average" karaoke singer wouldn't trip over the parts of the song that were different than what he expected. People don't go out to karaoke in hopes of embarrassing themselves. To many singers, karaoke is a chance to do something that they enjoy and think that they do fairly well. They enjoy the little bit of applause they receive and the occasional compliment. The last thing that they want is to be made a fool of by some KJ who decided to give them a horrible version of their favorite song.


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... BUT there could be legal issues if I play your burned disc. That is the difference. NOW, if all publisher and mfr BS were to cease, then your burned discs would be welcome additions to my show.


BUT, haven't you been saying (in almost every single post you make), that SC IS THE ONLY MANUFACTURER suing people (and that would ONLY be regarding SC tracks). If that is the case, then you should have nothing to worry about by playing Bruce's home made burns. There is ABSOLUTELY NO MANUFACTURER that could come after you for displaying Bruce's song tracks on a public screen, because NO MANUFACTURER produced the song track that Bruce is singing.


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A "professional" singer should be flexible enough to adapt to may different variations of the same song. These people just sound like snobs.

And would I be considered to be a "Snob" if I specifically requested to sing "This is the Moment" (Jeckyll and Hyde) from the Pocket Songs # 1151 version as versus Just Tracks # 20 version, and the only version you had was from Sound Choice (musically, SC has not done justice to Broadway songs)? Yes, PS and JT are the same company, but the song is very different between the 2 versions. One is the Concept version, and the other is the Broadway version (look for the 2 versions on YouTube, and you will see the difference). What about "Music of the Night"? The ONLY version I will sing that from is PS 1054. It happens to be on PS 1016 and 1185 as well, but, for reasons unknown, PS produced the latter tracks at a slower speed, and no Key Changer in the world can fix that. Now, while many PC operated KJs may have "MOTN" on a PS track, most of them can not tell me (with certainty) that it is the version from # 1054 (thus the reason I carry that song with me on my own personal burn and Flash Drive). The run time of "MOTN" on PS 1016 and 1185 is 6 1/2 minutes, and it is 5 1/2 minutes on PS 1054. That slightly faster tempo is the difference between singing that song smoothly as versus sounding like I was reading from the HUKT ON FON IX program.


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