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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 12:49 pm 
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Yes I am confused.
Every time I see the "Sound Choice" appear on the screen I get all confused.
Is that a drink special?
Did that singer forget to sing that part?
Does somebody get to pick the next sound from a variety of sounds from which to choose?
Where's my sight choice?
That singer is murdering this song, they could have done much better with a different song, they obviously made an unsound decision in picking that song!

Then I start wondering is that KJ trying to sell me something?
Is that KJ endorsing someone's product or is someone's product endorsing that KJ?
Could it be that KJ is somehow affiliated with the Sound Choice Pharmaceutical Institute?
http://soundchoice.org/
Then I think "No Way!" that KJ is a partner with Sound Choice Hearing Conservation!
http://www.soundchoiceinc.com/Hearing_Conservation.html
But the music is so loud, and the people in the corner over there are making out; this KJ must be promoting his affiliation with the Sound Choices Pregnancy Center!
http://soundchoicespc.org/
But, maybe that couple making out are planning to be married and need a DJ service for their wedding? Could it be the KJ is just trying to get them to consider using Sound Choice Events to entertain at their wedding?
http://www.bostonsoundchoice.com/index.htm
I don't know but I think I'm starting to get hearing loss from sitting so close to the speakers. Do you think maybe the KJ wants me to check into Sound Choice Assistive Listening? Or maybe he meant for me to check out Sound Choice Audiology; this is getting very confusing.
http://www.assistivelistening.net/
http://scaudiology.com/
Oh, now I get it! The KJ wants me to get a new sound system for my boat from Sound Choice Audio Video!
http://www.soundchoiceav.com/
I did however notice the KJ seems to be downloading something from the internet; maybe he's just displaying his endorsement from Sound Choice Communications?
http://www.sccvoip.com/
I don't know this is all just too confusing to me and I don't have the time to figure it out because I'm busy right now trying to rent a new home. You figure it out. I have an appointment with my agent from Sound Choice Real Estate.
http://soundchoicerealestate.com/

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"I have never been confused about where KJs got their music. I also never cared. As long as i could sing, I was happy."

And that my friends is the crux of the whole problem.

LR, the providing of a service is the same as copying to distribute (For gain or otherwise) and that section of the Act has been shown on these boards.

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8) If it is so easy to attach trademark infringement why did Kandy Store beat the rap? If a seller of preloaded hard drives that is selling those hard drives can't be tagged with infringement, how are you going to nail a host providing a service Tim? I want to thank all of the hosts that posted they could care less about any confusion, I'm sure the average juror would feel the same way. That is why when these suits are played out in a courtroom SC has been coming up on the short end of the legal stick. If nobody is confused or even cares about the song they are singing, then what is the harm that has been done to SC's precious logo?


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As a singer, my only concern is getting the lyrics up on the screen before it is time for me to sing them. A company's logo is strictly informative when it comes time to decide who swipes their lyrics the best. Sound Choice is nowhere near the top when it comes to lyric swipes; especially when it comes to songs that are of the up-tempo variety. Just try to sing the Sound Choice version of "Baby Got Back" by Sir Mix-A-Lot. It's so easy to fix with today's latest karaoke software editors but many karaoke producers just don't seem to care about the amateur singers of the world. They assume that everyone knows the lyrics by heart and can manage to get through any song, it's just not true.


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As a singer, my only concern is getting the lyrics up on the screen before it is time for me to sing them. A company's logo is strictly informative when it comes time to decide who swipes their lyrics the best. Sound Choice is nowhere near the top when it comes to lyric swipes; especially when it comes to songs that are of the up-tempo variety. Just try to sing the Sound Choice version of "Baby Got Back" by Sir Mix-A-Lot. It's so easy to fix with today's latest karaoke software editors but many karaoke producers just don't seem to care about the amateur singers of the world. They assume that everyone knows the lyrics by heart and can manage to get through any song, it's just not true.


Wait... Are you sayin' they don't care?

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The only thing they seem to care about is making the most money that they can, and not the most user friendly karaoke tracks that they can make. It takes no more time to create a karaoke track with the line by line swipes than it does to create a karaoke track with page by page swipes. Sound Choice always did it by the entire page and that was the reason that I always looked for song by Pop Hits Monthly first and then by Chartbuster. Unfortunately, both of those companies do it the same way as Sound Choice now, and claim that it is something in their new software that forces them to do it that way. It seems odd that it takes me very little time to edit their tracks so they swipe line by line but they don't seem to know how to make them that way. Now THAT is confusing to me.


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LR, why did OJ get acquitted? You make the Kandy Store case the one and only case and everything will fall from that. That my friend is a big mistake. Courts make a myriad of decisions on a myriad of cases, even those that are the same. One case does not make or break anything.

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I agree that the average singer at a karaoke show doesn't care about anything but singing in front of a crowd on a good sounding system with a good karaoke track and the more tracks they have to choose from the better.

I wish more did care whether or not the host was a pirate, but realistically most don't and even if they do, the pirate host is going to claim that they're legit and they spent thousands of dollars on their tracks, etc...


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I agree that the average singer at a karaoke show doesn't care about anything but singing in front of a crowd on a good sounding system with a good karaoke track and the more tracks they have to choose from the better.

I wish more did care whether or not the host was a pirate, but realistically most don't and even if they do, the pirate host is going to claim that they're legit and they spent thousands of dollars on their tracks, etc...


Not the average singer, EVERY singer. If you don't have a rare song they get an attitude with you like you're to poor to get it or tell you they sing it on youtube all the time... Pisses me off but I manage to keep a smile on my face none the less and tell them that I will do my best to get it for them next time. Some songs you just can't get.

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So far I can conclude that he notice of "confusion" is laughable no matter what the definition is. No one seems confused or concerned as to the origin of the track.


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Not the average singer, EVERY singer. If you don't have a rare song they get an attitude with you like you're to poor to get it or tell you they sing it on youtube all the time... Pisses me off but I manage to keep a smile on my face none the less and tell them that I will do my best to get it for them next time. Some songs you just can't get.

No not every singer feels that way.

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LR, why did OJ get acquitted? You make the Kandy Store case the one and only case and everything will fall from that. That my friend is a big mistake. Courts make a myriad of decisions on a myriad of cases, even those that are the same. One case does not make or break anything.



8) Let's face the facts tim, most of SC's victories have been out of court settlements, cheap legal wins. Most of the time SC has gone to a trial the results have not gone well for them. Their charge of trademark infringement is weak and any type of defense on the defendant's part has resulted in the charges either not being proved or dismissal before the trial starts in most cases. It is in SC's interest to settle these cases before they go to trial, once it becomes apparent they can't win they will no longer be able to leverage these settlements out of hosts, using the threat of legal action. The Kandy Store shows how hard it is to have all of the elements of trademark infringement attach, for the maker of physical product. How much harder will it be to prove against a host providing a service, and not making a product that can be confused for the original SC item? I feel as time goes on the weakness of this whole legal process will become more apparent. It will be exposed for what it really is a scam.
Legal yes but still a scam, designed to compel hosts to pay for the right basically to display a manu's logo. The track content being owned by the publisher's.


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BruceFan4Life wrote:
As a singer, my only concern is getting the lyrics up on the screen before it is time for me to sing them. A company's logo is strictly informative when it comes time to decide who swipes their lyrics the best. Sound Choice is nowhere near the top when it comes to lyric swipes; especially when it comes to songs that are of the up-tempo variety. Just try to sing the Sound Choice version of "Baby Got Back" by Sir Mix-A-Lot. It's so easy to fix with today's latest karaoke software editors but many karaoke producers just don't seem to care about the amateur singers of the world. They assume that everyone knows the lyrics by heart and can manage to get through any song, it's just not true.


There are some songs that no one should try without knowing most of the lyrics. Many rap songs fall into this category.

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There are some songs that no one should try without knowing most of the lyrics. Many rap songs fall into this category.

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I'd have to agree with that. I have been asked to do certain songs, and if I don't know all the lyrics, or the way the tune goes, i won't do the song. A friend of mine wants me to do Fallout Boy's - My Songs Know What You Do In The Dark, and it's got some fast parts. I have never been good with fast stuff. I tend to stumble over the words if they go too fast, unless I am WELL practiced at the song.

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with the correct software, you could fix that problem easily.

Don't know what version of the song that you have but the swipes are lineby line on the Mr. Entertainer version.


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I never liked the line by line swipes personally. It looks messy & if you get graphic garble, there is no clear screen to clean it up. Only time I would use line by line is in very fast songs where there is no time to clear an entire screen, otherwise I prefer the full page/clear screen looks and that is how I have created my own grahics in the past.

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I like to see a line by line of REM's It's the end of the world, I'm sure the pages would be flying by so fast that no one could read it.

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I like to see a line by line of REM's It's the end of the world, I'm sure the pages would be flying by so fast that no one could read it.


That song was one of the first ones I "fixed".


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I like to see a line by line of REM's It's the end of the world, I'm sure the pages would be flying by so fast that no one could read it.
Try the SBI Version... Swipes are easy to follow...And I have never heard it sung at my shows... :(

Chartbuster is line by line but the page refresh is a little slow, if you don't know the lyrics, you won't be able to keep up... :oops:


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Chartbuster is line by line but the page refresh is a little slow, if you don't know the lyrics, you won't be able to keep up... :oops:

That is where on the fly graphics sync adjustment is nice. You can bump the swipes to show a little ahead of when they need to be sung.

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