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good luck !! sheree left me standing holding a bag of 3 duets and 5 originals....although you are :
sunny(the young, beautiful, smart woman up there)

so i reckon ill be jumped in line anyways

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What's weird is that this man has never come across before as someone who would support McCain or be anti-Obama. I assumed he was an ex-hippy from the sixties.

Hey Odie! Maybe you've got the inside scoop into something huge! Believe me, I'll be first in line to admonish any wrong doing by Obama. I hope he is wrong.

I just love it when people state "I'll pick the lesser of two evils". Neither the candidates in the US or the candidates in the recent Canadian election are evil. They do not go out murdering their own people or other so called evil acts. They are politicians with sometimes opposing views and more often than not similar views with different ways to approach it. Most believe they are doing the right thing but sometimes it doesn't go as planned or as quickly. For example if Afghanistan and Iraq was settled quickly, the leaders at that time would have been considered heroes. But it didn't.

I for one would never be a politician for the crap they all have to deal with. You couldn't pay me enough. It's a thankless job.

And remember it's really the senoir civil servants who run the show. They've been there through the long haul and many administrations.

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to me "lesser of 2 evils" is just an expression..kind of like "curiousity killed the cat"..it never killed mine, a truck did....i dont consider either one "evil" per say. I guess i could start calling it "lesser of 2 incompetents".

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*Jeopardy music*

This is for ericlater if he ever decides to revisit this thread.

If I were to post a video containing negative McCain material, accusing him of all sorts of unsavory things, would that not raise the ire of McCain supporters in here? Now, suppose I am just honestly curious and non-biased. Suppose I don't realize how this will effect the people who support McCain. This simply means my intent was to simply get some feedback. This does not however take away the fact that a video has been posted that basically attacks McCain. IMHO!

It is my perspective (and everyone in this forum has one) that the material presented put a negative light on Obama. Now, I think all of us here acted in a rational and civil way presenting our thoughts about it. I am perfectly fine with this. I do not think Obama is above reproach, nor do I think he walks on water. But when the negative talk started to get heated, I simply countered the arguments with parallels to McCain. This did not fly well with you. When you ran out of arguments you used ad hominem attacks on me personally. Which tells me a lot about your lack of judgment and quickness to jump to a conclusion.

You, sir, have no idea who I am. I have not attacked you personally, other than to insinuate you might be an accountant that watches Jeopardy. YOU, however, have attacked my character calling me "devious" "a pompous (@$%&#!)" and dishonest. A person who twists things to suite my own needs. This, from the few posts I've posted in here. You have deemed that many of my statements are erroneous. I have yet to see anything specific and I doubt I will. I think it's safe to say that you judge people quite quickly when they don't quite line up with your way of thinking.

If you had taken the time to listen and get to know me, you would see that I am quite accepting of everyone's opinions. It doesn't mean I have to agree with them. I don't need your psychoanalysis, I am good with who I am. If you don't like it, that's perfectly fine with me. Just refrain from the attacks and keep your personal feelings about me to yourself.

why did I think erroneous was a sexual word ????

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...because you're a kooky kooky nutty guy .

AB-SO-FRIGGIN-Lutely! I for one am glad to see such open minds converse, MOSTLY without losing it! !

I feel totally beat up in this whole argument. I posted a video that questioned Obama's citizenship which is an actual real law suit being investigated and was not thrown out of the courts. (by the way I deleted it because it was the source of contention for people)

I found it interesting and wondered what people thought about it. I didn't think I'd be labeled as some kind of trouble maker for doing so. I some how got blamed for the disagreements you've been having. It is disturbing to me to be pulled into a clash in personalities because I posted the source of a lawsuit. I may not agree with Sheree on her choice for president, but I respect her views. Ericlater has made some intelligent posts that I actually agree with, but when you both started going at it I just tuned out those posts. I don't like name calling or negative posts, so I choose not to get involved, but since I'm continually dragged back into it I felt the overwhelming need to state my feelings.

Please please stop using me as a reason to continue bickering. You both obviously have touched a sore spot with each other that has nothing to do with me, exept the fact I started the post. If I could take it completely away I would, but I don't think that would make you both like each other.

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Can we end it? Moderator?

That lawsuit is bogus.. His birth certificate has been produced.. Many arguments have been offered to stop his landslide victory..

I suspect none will prevail..

I think the originator of a thread can request that it be locked or removed. Not sure though. Hopefully things will subside on their own. I will do my best to refrain from any future snotty remarks!

seriously Babs, we are not bashing you, just the video. You asked us what we think, then when we tell you, we are accused of blaming you for starting a hate thread. I dont know how this thing got turned inside out like that. Eric wants to keep picking at Sheree. It was he who threw the gauntlet down. Dont turn this into a "everybody is beating me up" thing cause it wasnt aimed at you, Eric made it that way.Several times I tried to make the point that the VIDEO started this fight. How could you have known it would lead to this BS..many pages ago I acrtually singled you out as the kind of person we should be out here. I complimented your control over your emotions and Eric slammed me, told me i should be blaming you if i was gonna continue to fight about what i was saying. And sheree and i have been echoing the same sentiments the whole way. anyways, i just wanted to clear the air before this thing gets locked down so you know that as far as me and sheree go, we NEVER thought you maliciously posted this video to start a flame thread.

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the PERSONAL attacks need to stop. No moderation other than SELF moderation is ALL that's necessary.

Attack the idea, NOT the person. There have been a couple posts that I've frowned on. As Vicki pointed out, religion and politics are very polarizing. People make PERSONAL and very emotional choices, and nobody likes to hear that they're wrong in another person's eyes!

What I dislike arguing about politics in general is if you disagree with one statement, you're automatically labeled the other. A friend of mine did that with me when I frowned on something he said, and he came at me fiercely with "people like you liberals make me sick!"

I told him (and I'm paraphrasing a bit here), "I'm NOT a liberal, but even then, if I WAS, it's OK. This country celebrates freedom of speach, thoughts, and ideas. Why am I labeled for merely disagreeing with you? Why can't you argue back with ME rather than the philosophy of "liberals" or the other side. All I did was disagree with your stance. You have a right to your opinion, kindly give me the same courtesy!"

after i sent out the snopes link, the originator of the email said 'oh, you're for obama then' ...

i replied i was for the truth ... if it had been a bogus email about mccain i would have done the same ... i wonder how many emails are sent like that even when people find out they're not true

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imo sheree did no attacking, she only defended herself as did others... if me telling him he was an a$$ and to jump off a bridge was attacking, then i apologize ... if he had talked to her that way in person i would have pushed him off

Coming from a union family, I've been a registered Democrat my entire voting life.
I must say that I don't subscribe to the dogma of the new Democrats and they are
not the Roosevelts or Trumans of my parent's era.

When asked why he left the Democratic Party, Ronald Reagan replied, "I didn't leave
the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party left me." That's where I'm at.

I don't subscribe to the Socialist views of the Obamas and Clintons, and I have a
particular concern when foreign and domestic terrorists endorse their choice for
who they want to see as our president. That is not character assassination - that's
the truth and that's frightening. What's worse is when individuals like Bill Ayers could
be appointed to a cabinet post.

I'll be voting for the lesser of the two evils. Perhaps Ross Perot should have made a
run this time?

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you dont have to apologize...personally attacking others are one thing but defending yourself is another. If anyone thinks for one minute im gonna sit on my hands when a person asks me where i live so they can come kick my (@$%&#!) they are sadly mistaken. What Eric launched against Sheree was worth her response. People who are bullied should not be silent out of fear of others thinking they are out of line. IMO

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i miss Ross Perot..I honestly believe he could clear this economic mess up like nobodys business Although I have been arguing for the Dems, I agree, calling them a Roosevelt or a Truman is 100% wrong. I believe we are in for 4 years of "who knew" shoulder shrugging no matter who wins .

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