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 Post subject: Re: Buying New Equipment
PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 7:58 pm 
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Flipper @ 13th May 2008, 4:10 am wrote:
Thank you for clarification of your position :handshake:

I did not get upset at you disagreeing at all. But your comments were quite strong and sometimes borderline personal. None of us are the final authority on any system regardless of the behavior of the folks that manufacture it. Our opinions are just that and do not reflect the majority of folks out there.

I guess I really don't care what makes Bose different....that is I could care less what the specs are as my ear is the final judge. It's ok that you seek this type of information and need it to finalize your decisions, in fact many folks do.

I have found the folks at Bose very accommodating as long as I'm asking the questions  in a way they can answer them. I get most of my technical help from the Musicians forum, specifically the DJ/KJ section. There are some career DJ's from huge markets that have found an edge with the system and are willing to share their experiences and expertise and are a wealth of information. I must admit my phone calls to sales support have not always solved my problems, and I generally get them answered by the forums by users that are doing what I'm doing.

Anyway we have invested too much time in this debate already, and actually the question is still what suggestions would you have for buying New Equipment. My response still stands. I will have other responses if this does not fall within his needs. There are plenty of good systems out there to purchase, and there are many opinions as well.

At this point I would like to return the thread to it's owner and move on! :oh yeah:


This link may be of interest to you and others regarding BOSE.

http://srforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/t/6658/0/


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 Post subject: Re: Buying New Equipment
PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 9:05 pm 
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Not to come across pro-Bose, or anything, but...

one of the specs they avoid is the common db at 1m

Well, with the sound being spread out between so many speakers pointing in different directions, how is this a fair measurement for their design vs one big speaker?

BTW, I'm leaning toward JBL Eon G2 15" cuz they're lighter than other 12" powered, but haven't compared the sound yet.


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 Post subject: Re: Buying New Equipment
PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 10:20 pm 
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If you really must know I had purchased a bose system because it looks pretty.

I does do a very nice job. It can't keep up with my big systems but for bar karaoke, weddings and private functions it does a fantastic job. and 2 L1 and 4 bass bins setup in 5 min.


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 Post subject: Re: Buying New Equipment
PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 1:37 am 
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Dennisgb @ Mon May 12, 2008 6:14 am wrote:
Flipper @ Sun May 11, 2008 2:24 pm wrote:
I have to agree with lyquiddye  the Bose L1/B2 system is an excellent choice.

I was a conventional PA KJ for many years. I was on vacation and visited a show in LA that had the Bose System and I was totally floored at the performance of the system.

When I went to Guitar Center for a demo they did not have a clue how to properly gain stage the system and use the EQ presets. When I heard it in their store I was not impressed at all, it was nothing like I heard in LA. So I decided to take advantage of the Bose 45 day Trial and once I read the manual and followed the suggestions on presets and gain staging the system "Rocked"

The only folks who boo hoo it are the ones who have not used it in a Live Karaoke show. I'm amazed at those who will shoot it down without having experienced it first hand.

I have never rec'd so many compliments (unsolicited) on any other system. It's a regular occurence at all of my gigs (Bars or Private Gigs) So regardless of what others say, I tend to listen to my customers and what they have to say.

Hey! The Bose system is not for everyone or every application but it fits my venues like a glove.


I've heard the Bose L1 in use twice. In both cases it was a small venue, and it sounded okay.

The problem I have is that the system has zero versatility. If you ever get a gig bigger than 25 people and a small room, forget it. If you want to upgrade, what is you path?


The path is if you need it to play in bigger venues, you pay another $1500-2500 for another system.  I had the option to try it my club for a week (2 sticks & 2 subs) & was not impressed at all.  No lows compared to what we were used to.  Now when I replaced my stage monitor with the system, there was no comparison 0 but then that's what it was ORIGINALLY intended for, the original name of the system was PAS - Personal Amplification System for individual band members to have their own personal monitor tailored to their specs without any feedback.

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Bose lives and dies on the marketing. They are a marketing company first and formost, and a technical company as a secondary result of marketing. They sell the "black box theory" to the hilt, and really there is very little innovative about their products, but they have produced an image that they are innovative. Go to Radio Shack and buy a bunch of 3" speakers and glue them to a pole. Get a 25 watt amplifier off of Ebay. You'll get close to the same sound for about $100.


Bose makes good stuff, I owned their home theater system for years, but don't feel their 'pro' audio stuff is worth the money.  I have never seen Peavey, Crown or JBL with a late night info-mercial.

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I'm sorry, this is the most flagrant snake oil product I have ever seen. Take the $2000 and buy a mid-priced component system, or find a used system. Don't buy a Bose system.


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 Post subject: Re: Buying New Equipment
PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 1:43 am 
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Randy J @ Sun May 11, 2008 11:29 pm wrote:
does the Passport 250 or 500 have an output for a crossover and subwoofer?


I believe it has the option to connect external amps to it via a line out to you could run a crossover & tops & subs with it, but the mixer section is pretty lacking IMO for the price you'd eventually end up spending.

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 Post subject: Re: Buying New Equipment
PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 1:45 am 
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ericlater @ Mon May 12, 2008 7:10 am wrote:
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I know very little about anything regarding specs, but I do know when I hear a sound I like.

So, I must ask, why would Fender, who has been around forever, use and promote the fact that Bose technology is part of their Passport speakers?


Because primarily Bose IS a major name brand & an expensive one at that - great marketing tool for another company using their speakers.

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 Post subject: Re: Buying New Equipment
PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 5:48 am 
Lonnie,

Are you suggesting that Fender engaged Bose to accomplish their technical objective(s) based solely upon the ability to market the Bose name? When I consider how much skepticism I'm hearing about the Bose name for professional use among our peers and that Fender is not even prominently promoting the Bose name, the "marketing" theory doesn't ring true for me.  In that regard please note the first two website I "googled" regarding the Passport.  No mention of Bose

http://www.acousticfingerstyle.com/FenderPassport500.htm
http://www.zzounds.com/item--FEN0691002003

As for me, I went to hear the Passport before I researched anything else.  It wasn't until I had made my decision to purchase it did I learn the technology used was Bose's!


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ericlater @ Tue May 13, 2008 5:48 am wrote:
Lonnie,

Are you suggesting that Fender engaged Bose to accomplish their technical objective(s) based solely upon the ability to market the Bose name? When I consider how much skepticism I'm hearing about the Bose name for professional use among our peers and that Fender is not even prominently promoting the Bose name, the "marketing" theory doesn't ring true for me.  In that regard please note the first two website I "googled" regarding the Passport.  No mention of Bose

http://www.acousticfingerstyle.com/FenderPassport500.htm
http://www.zzounds.com/item--FEN0691002003

As for me, I went to hear the Passport before I researched anything else.  It wasn't until I had made my decision to purchase it did I learn the technology used was Bose's!


I'm not suggesting anything, but marketing a product with a known brand name is alot better than marketing a product with a no name.
You ike the sound, I didn't, for my needs & uses they are completely underpopwered, have absolutely no oomph & would need to spend more money to get them to be where I would need them to be.

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 Post subject: Re: Buying New Equipment
PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 8:28 am 
It seems to me that the question regarding what equipment to purchase, as ignorant as I am regarding many of the specs people consider, is whether a piece of equipment will accomplish what is CURRENTLY being expected of it (and allow for a reasonable amount of growth as to the size of the venue)!  

If the equipment does the job expected of it in the environment it is intended to be used in, the specs become a moot point.

If someone doesn't like the sound of a particular piece of equipment, the specs become a moot point.

If the equipment is difficult to use, the specs become a moot point.

If you can't fit the equipment in your vehicle, the specs become a moot point

If you can't afford the equipment, the specs become a moot point

If the public doesn't like the (sound of) the equipment, the specs become a moot point.

If the kj/dj is too busy socializing and the mix is poor, the specs become a moot point.

So, we share many opinions on many subjects.  The preceding is my opinion on equipment.


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ericlater @ Tue May 13, 2008 8:28 am wrote:
It seems to me that the question regarding what equipment to purchase, as ignorant as I am regarding many of the specs people consider, is whether a piece of equipment will accomplish what is CURRENTLY being expected of it (and allow for a reasonable amount of growth as to the size of the venue)!  

If the equipment does the job expected of it in the environment it is intended to be used in, the specs become a moot point.

If someone doesn't like the sound of a particular piece of equipment, the specs become a moot point.

If the equipment is difficult to use, the specs become a moot point.

If you can't fit the equipment in your vehicle, the specs become a moot point

If you can't afford the equipment, the specs become a moot point

If the public doesn't like the (sound of) the equipment, the specs become a moot point.

If the kj/dj is too busy socializing and the mix is poor, the specs become a moot point.

So, we share many opinions on many subjects.  The preceding is my opinion on equipment.
And I gave mine.  Specs were moot point, it was about sound quality to me.

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 Post subject: Re: Buying New Equipment
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At one point in time we did consider the Passport or a similar setup. I opted instead (thankfully I was able to do it without putting us in the poor house) for a set of Mackie SM350s ... and then got the sub not longer after. Small footprint - two 350s, the sub, a dj rack, and a plastic, well-padded bin for the computer and the laptop (for filler music). Definitely takes up more room than something that folds up into itself but still, a  relatively small footprint. Just picked up a set of the SM450s so between the two models, we can do any room anywhere practically speaking.

I have frequented a show where the host uses a Passport. It is a VERY small room...They have it too loud...they don't really mix very well....they take too long between singers....they are rude to 'interlopers' who are not regulars at their show (but this is a common response I receive whenever I go somewhere and sing for the first time)....they jack around with settings for different singers....their mics are cheap cheap cheap...

But alas, I stray from the point. Their system is fine for a room that size. I believe is is NOT the 500 but the one down. Not for me but it works for them, which is the current point in question.

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