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karyoker
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:34 am |
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Joined: Wed Jun 30, 2004 3:43 pm Posts: 6784 Location: Fort Collins Colorado USA Been Liked: 5 times
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Quote: Ollie have I told you I love you today? xxxx
Love you too hon!!!!!
While I admire brand loyalty I have loyalties too. Rox is one a lot of us has suffered for 2 or 3 years and worked together to improve it. Spend 5 min on the forum link above. You will not see a thread like this for we will not allow it. On this or other forums I have never knocked Hoster Compuhost or any others. They are very good products. However to insinuate that RoxBox is crap or will somehow trash your computer is an insult to a friend and a fellow KJ. I will not react in a kneejerk defensive posture, I will try to help or point you in the right direction. As far as Winamp goes a conservative estimate would be that it has made me 10-15000 dollars over a period of time. I really dont understand the animosity or attitude towards it either.
During Cheyenne frontier days there is and old steamer that makes a daily down to Denver and back. To hear that old steam whistle echoing thru town brings back memories like you wouldnt believe. I'm tired from last night but I think it goes thru about 8:30 and I want to get some video of it and put on youtube. Have a good Sunday.... Ollie
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Jian
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:41 am |
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Joined: Tue Apr 06, 2004 10:18 pm Posts: 4080 Location: Serian Been Liked: 0 time
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The way you post here do more harm than good to Latshaw's product and reputaion.
I happen to have a lot of resepect for Bob's song book software
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karyoker
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:46 am |
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Joined: Wed Jun 30, 2004 3:43 pm Posts: 6784 Location: Fort Collins Colorado USA Been Liked: 5 times
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Quote: The way you post here do more harm than good to Latshaw's product and reputaion. I happen to have a lot of resepect for Bob's song book software
Even if it costs a bit more for gas or whatever I will always patronize the little guy or one bucking big corps. They are the ones you can become friends with I too use Bob's song list creator and consider it the best. He has given me full support on it.
BTW I sat down at the train depot for an hour and found out on Sun it's 3P. Oh Well!!!
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Wiggly Dave
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:03 am |
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Joined: Sat May 03, 2008 8:44 am Posts: 278 Been Liked: 1 time
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Mrmarog.......Do you work for or receive commission from Latshaw??.......No offence guy but you are really trying to "Sell" that product
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mrmarog
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:01 am |
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Joined: Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:13 pm Posts: 3801 Images: 1 Location: Florida Been Liked: 1612 times
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No Wiggly Dave I don't.
What I have gotten from Latshaw are great products and service, and an enormous reduction in the amount of time it has taken me to uniformly name and organize all my karaoke files. Once that was accomplished Latshaw was able to utilize that perfectly renamed set of files and generate a song book in any one of millions of song book styles (yes millions).
I believe in Bob Latshaw and his products and service. I downloaded Karma on his first public release of his Beta version on Wed 7/15 and since then he has had six beta updates. Many in this forum have reported crashes and other disasters. I haven't ever had a single problem with anything like that? I am running XP pro SP3 with every update installed. I have a Intel P4 3.0 ghz single core with 4 gig ram. Karma has a CPU meter that runs in the lower right corner and on my machine it bounces between 8% and 20%. The highest spike I've seen is 28%. That does not seem like a resource hog to me.
The limitation on the trial download is more than adequate to fully evaluate the product (without purchase). He seems like an awfully nice guy to me...but you know what they say about the "nice guy" these days.
In peace,
Mrmarog
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stogie
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:17 am |
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Well, mrmarog, here is a friendly piece of advice to Bob when you talk to him next. The price at $150 is way too high. He can sell a lot more at $99 - $75 or less if he ever gets the program working properly. Please let us know if the majority of bugs get worked out and the program is ready for testing again, but wait a while and let the dust settle a little.
One more thing. Despite the fact that many people don't like Vista, nearly all new PCs are being sold with Vista, millions of them each year. If the program works well with Vista and with XP he will be in a far better position than if it just works with XP. Over the next two years XP will wane and Vista, despite it's initial problems, will take over because it's the primary choice available to most users. Vista compatibility is really important and I would be willing to wager that software that is compatible with Vista will run great on the next operating system that MS comes out with after Vista.
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karyoker
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:17 am |
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Joined: Wed Jun 30, 2004 3:43 pm Posts: 6784 Location: Fort Collins Colorado USA Been Liked: 5 times
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So I think I will email Bob with this thread addy and maybe Frank too.
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DJ Swirl
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:02 pm |
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Bobble @ Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:30 am wrote: stogie @ Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:44 pm wrote: why not actually contact Latshaw and give them the exact details of your error, because, as a lot of us know, they'll usually have you fixed within 24 hours. Plus, you may help remove an unkown bug and make everyone happier.
I contacted them when SLG wouldn't install on my Vista laptop and they couldn't fix my problem.
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DJ Swirl
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:18 pm |
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knightshow @ Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:33 am wrote: In my opinino, anybody that does use an online computer for shows is stupid if you do, thanks to the virii and trojans out there.
Well, I'm not stupid, and I use my work laptop to get online. If you're smart about the type of sites you visit, keep your security software up to date, and stop using the security-hole-filled antiquated dinosaur that is Internet Explorer for a browser, you won't get viruses.
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karyoker
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:25 pm |
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Quote: I contacted them when SLG wouldn't install on my Vista laptop and they couldn't fix my problem.
Just out of curiousity have you installed SP2? Or Sp1 whatever it is My sister did and it totally trashed her system
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karyoker
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:38 pm |
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Take for example RoxBox it puts a few dll's in the system32 folder and registers them. It has nothing to do with the OS or efficiency of the the system. Roxbox does not ask to call home when you connect to the internet. Some do to check for updates. If you install a basic software and your system system stutters it is time for a complete hard drive format and system restore I do this about every 2-3 months with a system I am on the internet with. My DAWS do not need this. I can run Rox and be recording every singer the effiicecney runs about 2-3%.
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DJ Swirl
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:20 pm |
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karyoker @ Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:25 pm wrote: Quote: I contacted them when SLG wouldn't install on my Vista laptop and they couldn't fix my problem. Just out of curiousity have you installed SP2?
There's an SP2 for Vista already? Didn't SP1 just come out a couple months ago?
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Lonman
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:26 am |
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Joined: Mon Dec 10, 2001 3:57 pm Posts: 22978 Songs: 35 Images: 3 Location: Tacoma, WA Been Liked: 2126 times
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mrmarog @ Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:38 am wrote: Lonman says: "Most here don't have time to report flaws on programs that aren't ready."
It appears as though you are a very active poster in a quite a few forums Lonman. When do you actually work? Gees when do I work - do I have to give a background for my qualifications? 7 nights a week since 92. 15 of those at the same club 7 nights a week! Before that I ran sound for bands since 86 to current, was a recording engineer in a local studio for nearly 15 years as well, owned my own 24 track studio. When do you work - that has NOTHING to do with an opinion? If you check my post times most of them are either after work or during the day at some point, sometimes I have a little more time, sometimes I don't post for a couple days. I run a full time business with karaoke & other forms of entertainment, not just a part time hobby. What I use for my karaoke platform is VERY important to me & if something greater & better IMO comes out, I will give it a look & try it out. The program you linked to CRASHED my system within 5 minutes when I tried to point it to my simple mp3 folder for DJ music only. That IMO is NOT a good product to be spouting off that it's the best (which is all subject to personal opinion only for what works best for you anyway). More testing needs to be done on this particular program & no I do not have the time to work on another project. Quote: As was just stated by Bobble. "Instead of telling everyone on a forum that its crap just because you couldn't get it to run, why not actually contact Latshaw and give them the exact details of your error" Again, I do not have the time to beta test for another company (already doing so for one that I work with now). A product IMO should not hit the public until it is at least somewhat stable. Quote: Lonman, how many products out ther became great products instantly without without hundreds of progressive steps. I love the radial tire story told ealier by Bobble.
Mrmarog
When someone puts in a public forum that this is the greatest program & several have already stated (besides me) that it either wouldn't load or crashed their system, something is greatly wrong with the program in question. If the writer of the program needs beta testers, they should employ a team to do just that instead of putting it on the public who actually may purchase the product to do so. I am in the business to put on a 'working' karaoke show, not to hope a program will do what I need it to do!
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karyoker
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:20 am |
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Joined: Wed Jun 30, 2004 3:43 pm Posts: 6784 Location: Fort Collins Colorado USA Been Liked: 5 times
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This laptop I am using now is constantly on the internet. I use it at shows for downloading. It is a backup and I have run several shows with it. It is finely tuned has a gig and a half ram in it. I restore the system on a regular basis and completely reinstall the OS. I do have better than average knowledge about karaoke software and making systems work with many years of experience. I downloaded Bob's karma imported over 13k karaoke library and had it up and running in minutes. I did not check out rotation features or others because he states more features will be coming.
If you can not install a program such as this without glitches or crashes then I would seriously consider hiring an IT to look at your computer. Your computer is not ready or efficient enough to do shows. I can record every singer and with cntrl alt delete the system resources are less than 5%.
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knightshow
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:45 am |
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DJ Swirl @ Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:18 pm wrote: Well, I'm not stupid, and I use my work laptop to get online. If you're smart about the type of sites you visit, keep your security software up to date, and stop using the security-hole-filled antiquated dinosaur that is Internet Explorer for a browser, you won't get viruses. Yeah, that's EXACTLY what you have to do. Run more programs to block or intercept virii, which bogs down memory and resources... Trojans and Virii are more and more targetting other browsers all the time.
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karyoker
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:06 am |
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If you bootleg off a college kids wireless then you dont pick up viruses unless you open unknown emails. I havnt had a virus for years or even the ones that track your surfing. My system is totally invisible to all on the net.
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knightshow
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:58 am |
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the whole reason we have new virii is that they target unknown ports or access areas. So to me, running online at a show is just ASKING for trouble.
Call me chicken****, but I'd rather be safe than sorry for the small advantage of being online!
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DJ Swirl
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:08 pm |
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knightshow @ Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:45 am wrote: Yeah, that's EXACTLY what you have to do. Run more programs to block or intercept virii, which bogs down memory and resources... Trojans and Virii are more and more targetting other browsers all the time.
See, I don't really have to run anything extra, though. I'm just much more careful about how I approach the internet. Trust me, in my younger days I had many troubles with viruses (I'm an English grad and have never heard the term virii, btw), trojans and hijackers. I got smart, did some homework, and have kept all my computers virus free for about five or six years now. Yeah, hackers are targeting other browsers these days, but still, if you keep your eyes out and don't open mail from unknown sources, don't open attachments unless you know what they are, and keep careful watch on the sites you visit, your computer is much more safe than not. Downloading Firefox and configuring it to my paranoia was the first step. Updating virus definitions frequently was the next step. Not being stupid about the sites I visit is an ongoing step.
As it stands, though, I have 2GB of ram in my laptop and don't have any lag or memory hog issues whatsoever, even though Vista itself is a titanic hog. I also optimized the laptop, getting rid of unnecessary programs, applications and additions pre-loaded on the machine.
I'm not an expert by any means, but I've done my homework. The best security my computers have had is knowledge.
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jamkaraoke
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:54 am |
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I have some of the other programs by Latshaw and love the File Manager program
I just don't understand why they would put out an untested version into the market
You want me to test it ----give it FREE to a few KJ's and you would be surprised on how we can try and break it so you can FIX all the bugs...then and on;y then can you SELL it for $149 once it works 100% of the time .
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karyoker
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:03 am |
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Linux is the future for all DAWS or KJ or DJ systems. I have converted RoxBox to Linux but my old ATI dual video was not compatible. In a few months I will convert again and probably stay with it. Windoze sucks big time!!! I will never install vista...
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