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Songs with bad language, when is it allowable in karaoke?
Poll ended at Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:35 pm
If it's in the book, it's fair game. 23%  23%  [ 10 ]
Sing it, but gauge the crowd for children. 28%  28%  [ 12 ]
Sing it, but acquise to mangement, staff, etc. 30%  30%  [ 13 ]
Don't sing, I think songs with bad language aren't acceptable for karaoke. 19%  19%  [ 8 ]
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mckyj57 @ Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:10 am wrote:
I support the right of shows to feature songs with profanity. I hope others support my right not to feature them.

I have chosen to get rid of all the songs in my collection that have it (which weren't many, I didn't buy them in the first place). If someone is offended by my lack of offensive songs, too bad.

My service club used to have both the SC8700 and SC8927 disks. There was one guy who would sing only songs from those disks, right in a row. It got plain tiresome. When we did the transition to the new system, we eliminated those disks from the collection, and we got rid of some selected other songs as well. No one misses them except for the occasional person who'll ask for something like "At A Medium Pace" and get told we don't have it (which we don't, we gave away the disks).


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I have no problem with folks editing their song books. It's your show and therefore yours to run as you see fit. If someone is worried that a song with cuss words in it is going to run off customers, then why wouldn't they get rid of those songs.


Letitrip - I agree. I don't know why people get judgemental when we are only doing what makes our shows successful.

It's like going to Las Vegas and being appauled by shows with nudity. If it's not your cup of tea you pick a different show to go to.

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letitrip @ Wed Aug 19, 2009 5:44 am wrote:
In all my years attending shows as a singer, I never once heard someone say they were leaving a show or wouldn't return to one because the KJ allowed someone to swear.


I agree with everything you said Tony but am only highlighting this because actually I do get people leaving because I run an open show.

Here's a couple of recent examples. A gal who's always in there came right into my booth (kinda unusual) during "Down With The Sickness". She said that she'd heard the song done before but never paid attention to the lyrics until now. And she let me know that I should never allow anyone to perform that sick, offensive, and vulgar song again.

I can't pull "Down With The Sickness". The room would have a fit. It's one of the most consistently done songs in the place and has been for years.

Haven't seen her back.

Just a couple of weeks ago a guy came flying towards me from the bar and ordered me to cut the performer's mic during "Forget About Dre". I merely pointed to the packed dance floor and said "No way!"

He was gone.

If you censor you're going to lose some. If you run an open show you're going to lose some. You can't have it all.

So it's really a matter of what's best for the room.


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Frankly, I think its up to the venue/situation and the KJ. Clearly, a family environment would say that you keep it G or PG at worst.

The places I frequent are 21+ after like 10 (when the kitchen closes). So the crowd for the most part can handle risque or harsh lyrics.

I've done a few myself-- mostly classic rock with things like AC/DC, Zeppelin, and GnR. But will also do stuff like Aenima from Tool (lots of F bombs). When I do "Who Are You", I'll use the F word as its part of the song (although in some versions it is He!!).

Oh, I have also done "Down with the Sickness", but I usually do the radio version. The rap part that's usually cut out is pretty disturbing (pun intended) 8-)


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At one time Elvis was censored from showing his legs move because it was considered inappropriate. :D

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letitrip @ Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:44 am wrote:
For instance, Sweet Home Alabama contains not one curse word, however anyone that understands the song is aware of the racial tone it takes with regard to Neil Young's criticism of southern racism. So since that could offend, do you take it out?

Actually, most people misunderstand that song and it's lyrics.
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"Sweet Home Alabama" was written as an answer to two songs, "Southern Man" and "Alabama" by Neil Young, which dealt with themes of racism and slavery in the American South. "We thought Neil was shooting all the ducks in order to kill one or two," said Ronnie Van Zant at the time.[2] Van Zant's musical response, however, was also controversial, with references to Alabama Governor George Wallace (a noted supporter of segregation) and the Watergate scandal:

In Birmingham, they love the governor (boo boo boo)
Now we all did what we could do
Now Watergate does not bother me
Does your conscience bother you?
Tell me true

In 1975, Van Zant said: "The lyrics about the governor of Alabama were misunderstood. The general public didn't notice the words 'Boo! Boo! Boo!' after that particular line, and the media picked up only on the reference to the people loving the governor."[3] "The line 'We all did what we could do' is sort of ambiguous," Kooper notes "'We tried to get Wallace out of there' is how I always thought of it."[3] Journalist Al Swenson argues that the song is more complex than it is sometimes given credit for, suggesting that it only looks like an endorsement of Wallace.[3] "Wallace and I have very little in common," Van Zant himself said, "I don't like what he says about colored people."[4]

The final line of the song indicates that despite its pro-Southern theme it is firmly against racial discrimination: "Montgomery's got the answer." This is a reference to the Montgomery Bus Boycott, which led to a Supreme Court decision declaring Alabama's racial segregation laws for buses unconstitutional.


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TopherM @ Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:04 pm wrote:
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Much like when I go to video store with my family to rent a video. I would take offense if the porn titles were mixed in with the family flicks. I can see Joanie's frustration with the place she loved to go to changing. I would stop going to Blockbuster to rent videos if they started to mix their porn in with the others.


Imagine how pissed off you'd be if you went to the porn store and accidentally came home with the G-Rated Disney movie "Holes."

Moral of the story, if you go to a family joint to do family karaoke, you want the KJ to do family karaoke. If you go the local hip-hop dive to tear s*** up (figuratively) on the karaoke stage, then you want the KJ to let you tear s*** up (figuratively).

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That was my point I just didn't do the flip side of the analogy. It would be interesting if you did come home with a Disney movie in a porn case. That would mean the porn title also called "Holes" is in some childs dvd player. :lol:

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There is a time and a place.....simple as that. There are several times, when I've done a song or one of my partners have ad-libbed a part of a song where it wasn't the right time or place. The very few times that's happened, I've thought..that wasn't such a good idea, I now make an extra effort to make sure it will be accepted by the majority. I do NOT edit my books, I do however NOT let certain songs to be done at certain gigs. I do NOT feel bad about it either....99.999% of the people understand and pick something else with no fuss. Time & Place...MrD

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mrdelicious2 @ Wed Aug 19, 2009 2:26 pm wrote:
I do NOT edit my books

Only reason I edit my books is because i'm there 7 nights. No point in listing songs that the bar disallows only to explain to people why they cannot sing those songs night after night.
When I was mobile I listed everything, but it was nice to have those 'edtited' books available for shows where kids are present and more family oriented.

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Lonman @ Wed Aug 19, 2009 3:31 pm wrote:
mrdelicious2 @ Wed Aug 19, 2009 2:26 pm wrote:
I do NOT edit my books

Only reason I edit my books is because i'm there 7 nights. No point in listing songs that the bar disallows only to explain to people why they cannot sing those songs night after night.


Makes sense. Night after night, same explanation. Kinda like the kids in the car, "are we there yet" every couple minutes.


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mrdelicious2 @ Wed Aug 19, 2009 4:26 pm wrote:
There is a time and a place.....simple as that. There are several times, when I've done a song or one of my partners have ad-libbed a part of a song where it wasn't the right time or place. The very few times that's happened, I've thought..that wasn't such a good idea, I now make an extra effort to make sure it will be accepted by the majority. I do NOT edit my books, I do however NOT let certain songs to be done at certain gigs. I do NOT feel bad about it either....99.999% of the people understand and pick something else with no fuss. Time & Place...MrD

I have a rule that you have to sing what's on the screen. Adding your own f-words to the lyrics will cause the mic to be muted.

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After going to karaoke shows for 15+ years, you kind of get immune to the various songs. Most of the "older" shocking songs are not anymore, and I agree that most people do use discretion when choosing their songs based on the "audience" in the bar. We now host karaoke, and get quite a range of ages at our shows, from just turned 21 to 80ish (at the same show). We are in our 50's, and personally do not get offended by the songs out there. Although it's not uncommon in our area for some bars to have a rule about the "f" word on the mic, the bar where we presently host doesn't care (after all, as they put it, it is a bar).

One particular night recently, though, there was a younger guy that, to his credit, saw our diverse crowd and asked if it was OK to do a rap-type song. Our 78-year old grandma-type was there that night, so I mentioned that it might be better to do a "radio edit" if it got too bad - just for her sake, which he said "sure". Well, the song he picked, Criminal by Eminem (which we weren't familiar with - our bad) probably offended EVERY SINGLE PERSON there except for his friends. Like I mentioned before, we're fairly immune to the vulgarity of songs out there, but WOW - those lyrics were downright scary. And although I've never heard the original song, he actually probably did it very well. I did have to keep reminding myself - it's only a song ... it's only a song ...

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Who would you rather lose, him or granny as a customer? :angel:


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angel910 @ Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:42 am wrote:
Who would you rather lose, him or granny as a customer? :angel:

That's not the point. I have a 60+ YO that is a regular that probably spends 3X more than that 21 year old that buys a pitcher & nurses it. You can't go on age alone.

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I would rather keep granny. :angel:


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TopherM @ Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:35 am wrote:
Oh, and just to prove my point based on that last post:

Teh album that contained "Closer" by NIN sold 10.5 million copies, according to RIAA. It is the 71st best selling album of all time.

By comparison, here are some other karaoke staples (by album sales) that it outsold:

Love Shack - 10 million
Picture - 10.2 million
Family Tradition - 7.5 million
Before He Cheats - 6 million
Margaritaville - 4 million
Goodbye Earl - 10 million
Like a Virgin - 21 million

I'd say there is CERTAINLY a market for those types of songs. You just aren't in that particular market :)


Those songs were bought by people because of their shock value. Not because they are music connoisseurs. The same people that want to shock the karaoke crowds. Just proves the the age group of the buyers too. It's cool to swear in the song. Not what the mature audience is thinking.

So their taste in music isn't the normal karaoke singers taste. The karaoke staples you have listed. They aren't the Fbomb songs at most karaoke shows. :angel:


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Without the f-worded songs, karaoke would still be around. It is your choice to include them or not. In many parts of the world songs with the f-word do not exist.
I believe karaoke events can be profitable if it ONLY have those 'offensive' songs. Likewise a KJ can also make money by providing only religious songs.
Niche market may be the way.

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For the record, I performed The Lonely Island's "On A Boat" last week and it went over huge!

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Karaoke is not a religion and bars are not churches. Frankly the majority is getting tired of the supersensitive Arseholes that get offended by their petty crap. I reserve the right to say F&^&^& and the right to kick anybody's (@$%&#!) that gets offended... ROFL

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What I like and what my room likes are two different things. One of our gigs a girlfriend and I have sung "Get Low" but I'd NEVER dream of doing it at the other gig. I'm not a prude, I like to have fun with music, but my overriding concern is for the enjoyment of the room, not me. (I sing original lyrics in You Oughta Know, btw). I cuss like a sailor at times, never do it in front of people who might be sensitive to it (and be disappointed at my lack of vocab!) and don't suggest to anyone else what language they should use. It all comes down to what fits the occasion. So simple, really.


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Geez, while we're at it, let's ban "Before He Cheats". I don't think there are any (many) cuss words, but the majority of the song is about some scorn woman trashing a guys truck.

At the end of the day, a lot of this comes down to discretion. Some people have it, some don't. Some people are going to get bent out of shape by a song, some aren't.

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