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And meanwhile back at the OP's thread:

It looks currently as though there is LESS importance on the availability of SC tracks doesn't it?
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"In a worldwide poll at karaokescence.com clearly 54% of those responding stated that it was NOT imperative to have SC tracks at the shows they attend."
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You are doing the same thing he does constantly -- straw man. Attributing a position to me that I don't hold, then attacking that.

I have some respect for both of you, but not too much. You use fallacious and argumentatitve tactics to get under the skin of other people. Very effective, but nasty and provocative. You are cruising, constantly, and you know it. People complain about it all the time. They don't necessarily see what you are doing, as those are pretty sneaky tactics that fly under the radar when done subtly. But I know what you are doing, and I know that people don't like it. That is self-evident by the constant conflict you find yourselves in.

If you were in front of a judge, this would be a constant "Objection! Argumentative." "Sustained".

I'm willing to be friendly, but putting up with sophomoric horsepucky is a bit much. If you are going to push the limit, have a thicker skin. How about a dose of "I'm OK, you're OK". Don't toss out straw men constantly, it isn't nice because it mischaracterizes the position of another. Be civil, and you won't constantly get into a ruckus.

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Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

Not necessarily -- if they have decent versions of at least some of my songs or will play my disk then no problem...

Look -- I barely say anything on here anymore. I also find it hard to believe that "everybody here complains" about me. If that were the case and there was a real issue, the proper place to discuss that with me would be privately - not lambasting me publicly. I have said nothing here to deserve it. I am not "cruising," whatever that's supposed to mean. I AM okay. And I am generally very civil. All you're doing is adding more controversy.

As to the above issue, I don't see how I could possibly have interpreted it any other way, but if I did, please enlighten me. If I misinterpreted it, I'd like to know how.

And I'd love it if you let me know without calling me sophomoric or fallacious. Thanks.

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There is no straw man here Mcky57, that's the label you like to use to deflect from your own inappropriate behavior.

You are actually the one that started the ruckus, but you'd like to put it on us. While there is no such thing as "pretty sneaky tactics" happening that you'd like to pin on us (who's playing the straw man here? - you), isn't it amazing that you are the first to claim that you -unlike everyone else- are so far superior to everyone else that only you can see through some surreptitious cloak of deception when you say; "But I know it."

It's more along the lines of "you invented it." You take comments that I make and twist them as though they are something "evil" and then point your finger and scream at the top of your lungs that some crime has been committed or that we "are constantly cruisin'."

Here's an example:
You like to point out how SC is the "top-tier" of karaoke songs and berate me for criticizing or dropping the brand - however your TOP CHOICE in brands is not SC, it's DK. But then you want to keep harping on me about my opinion of SC? You're playing the straw man to be argumentative here, not us.

From the "What's Your Favorite Manufacturer?" thread:


If this is your personal war, keep it to yourself. I'm not interested.

You held up someone who is a controversial figure and made the statement that the world would be better if everyone were like him. Having done that, you get all upset when someone notices the rather ironic nature of that.

If you are claiming that he is a prince of a fellow who never had an unkind word for anyone, then I believe you are simply disconnected from reality. I suppose if you did believe that, then you might make the jump that I "have nothing but contempt for him" by taking issue with your rather bold statement. No, I just recognize him for what he appears to be -- a witty, a bit irascible person with strong opinions and who doesn't much care what people think of him. (I might be talking about myself there. )

And with all that in evidence, to assume I have nothing but contempt for him -- that's fallacious. And to complain and get all in a huff after making your rather ridiculous contention -- that's sophomoric.

Now if you want to assume I have nothing but contempt for you, go right ahead. It won't be true, so please don't suggest it out loud. I don't have nothing but contempt for anyone. I think we all have something to contribute, and I am willing to go back and be friends. I never had contempt or anger in the first place. I am a fallible person, and I make mistakes. All the time. I made a mistake, obviously, in assuming that we were all having a little fun with this. When Chip said he could take it, I assumed he meant it. Wrong assumption --I'll just have to back off and assume that you have now read me my Miranda rights.

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Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them.
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

You really think you and I see him in the same way? When I say it would be better if the world were full of Chips, I'm not thinking, Hey -- the world would be better if there were a bunch of controversial people here...I'm thinking the world would be a better place if everyone were as loving, kind, generous, intelligent and sexy as Chip. I understand this wouldn't be your attitude, but there was no irony in my statement. The difference is of everyone here, I am actually the only one who really KNOWS Chip. There's no disconnect from reality -- the REAL reality is in my own home -- not on this Internet forum where people often say things they would never say to a real human being in front of their face.

Am I aware that Chip likes to spar? Sure. But he's definitely not the only one here that does -- it takes two to argue. Funnily enough -- we hardly ever do.

As far as having contempt for me, no I don't think you do, but I do think you let things get rather personal when you were called out for doing something that I didn't believe a moderator should do.

There will be no Miranda rights -- but I can guarantee that the next time I see someone calling my husband names, I'm going to treat it the same way, whether he cares or not. That's what appropriate behavior for a spouse should be. And when I do, I expect that my complaint will be treated respectfully, privately, and then we can all move on.

I don't know if you're married, but if someone calls your wife a name, I would hope you would defend her, whether she cared or not. Because you should. The person sleeping in the bed next to you is the only one that matters. These people here on the forum...not so much.

Thanks.

Birdofsong

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Wow!
Since the drama in this thread has remained public for so long, I feel as though I’m invited to comment.



It seems to me the whole thing started with two back to back unsolicited shots at Chip.





I interpreted them as playful tongue-in-cheek at first. Apparently, there was a third shot that seemed more of a direct insult (I would be insulted if the shots kept coming prior to an opportunity to answer).






It appeared to me that the provoking began with the first shots at Chip, and further provoking occurred with the reference to his wife.


That seems provocative


That seems controversial.


That sounds threatening.


That’s self-contradicting and illogical.


That sounds like you are smarter than those dumb people who should be complaining more often.


Good advice



And that’s what motivated me to comment.
I find it despicable, contemptible, detestable, disgraceful, mean, reprehensible, loathsome, and vile, for someone to try to convince another that their spouse is less than a good person and then to follow up with a second attempt and try to make a case to justify those actions all based on differences of opinion.

And to do it all publicly because you think everyone will run to your side on this is personally insulting to me.


Pretend apologies without apologizing and followed up with excuses to discount the wrong is juvenile or…

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Yes, getting back to the OP, me.

It is now 52% in favor of finding shows with Sound Choice.

As I have watched, it has been pretty much split 50/50.

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Now a comment on the juvenile, uncalled for bickering. I request that this thread be cleaned up or closed by the moderator.

Thank you.

Yep it has... did you expect it to be a slam dunk one way or the other?

I didn't. SC is losing relevancy quickly.

There are some songs I like that are only on SC but plenty of songs (mostly newer ones since SC hasn't put out any new songs) to take their place so I would still have something to sing without SC.

No mate.
It started a long time ago.
This is just a little build up which happens now and again.
Chip is a perfect sparing partner who mainly,
likes to spar.
There are others here that like to have fun.
The problem arises when they don't fully understand each other.
The flare up happens when one feels the other is going too far.
Chip is famous for pushing too far.
He will sometimes argue for something he does not even agree with, just for the sport.
He does not dislike his adversary at all.
Bird, you need to understand more.
He is incorrigible.
It is not going to stop.

Right.


Like what? What pops into your mind that I've "pushed too far" lately?

I think there might be some confusion of the difference between "push too far" and "push back" or in the least, "won't back down."


I like all my adversaries.... I've even agreed with a few of them.... and more than once.... like Bazza.... (as painful as it was.)



Bird understands just fine. As a matter of fact, she understand better than anyone here. (You have to like her Jerry - she likes Ranch Dressing too - but frankly, I can't stand the stuff.)

"Incorrigible" -- as far as its definition of "firmly fixed, not easily changed, swayed or influenced" is not necessarily a "bad thing."

It can stop.... It simply takes the right kind and amount of "consideration."

Well, the poll is as of today (12-19-2011) officially at a 50-50 tie.

So much for the "overwhelming popularity" that SC would like the world to believe....

This amuses me.

Not able to be corrected, improved, or reformed.
And yes. Not a bad thing.

But then neither is JR or Mickey.

Of course they're not..... JR is a hoot that intended no malice and Mickey's got a head just as hard as mine.... You gotta give him credit for his unshakable convictions.

It's all a matter of perspective.

Ahhhh..... The scent of peppermint and evergreen..... The pretty lights....the music......

Yup, one can easily perceive that the holiday spirit of warmth and companionship has draped itself over this forum..

Can you feel the love...?

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i thought i did...................but it was just gas.

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Perhaps, and then only among the 36 very biased respondents. To think that a completely unscientific poll on an obscure internet forum speaks for the entire karaoke world is a stretch even for you.