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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:43 pm 
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Bazza wrote:
Allow me to explain yet again...

... Perhaps this analogy will help you understand:

<Cue dream sequence harp sound here!>

Bird-Of-Song buys a used Home Depot, 5-piece screwdriver set on eBay then uses it for two years. "What wonderful screwdrivers!" she says! "But I want the new 30 piece set but don't need a bunch of duplicates.? <Bird-Of-Song Pouts!>.

"What to do! What to do!"

Then Bird-Of Song has an idea. "I will return the used set to Home Depot, getting a store credit for full retail price! Brilliant! Then I will take that store credit and buy the 30-piece set I so desire!"

Bird-Of-Song is happy. She has the larger set for less money. What a bargain hunter she is!




Only problem with your dream sequence is that if you bought that 5-piece Screwdriver set from Home Depot 2 years ago, you would not be able to return them today, let alone obtain a store credit for them. Maybe if you purchased them 14 days ago (or 7 days ago, or 30 days ago (whatever their store policy is)), you would be able to get that full refund or store credit, but not 2 years ago.

Bazza, you were just plain lucky with your purchase, and the fact that SC offered you a full retail value credit for a set of discs that you (admittedly) didn't even pay full retail for. Be happy with that knowledge.


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That was a heck of a deal, getting credit toward already purchased discs.. Of course I always consider, "how many do I have it already" when looking at discs or packs, but I would have been willing to forgo that. I know I have several songs, off the top of my head, that aren't in the GEM so I wouldn't have wanted to trade those in anyway.


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And you can keep them. There is no obligation to return your original discs. Why is it that because Bazza said he returned his SC discs that everyone thinks they will have to return all their SC discs?

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I didn't say I had to or even that I thought I had to. From what I understand, it isn't even an option at this point. The other side of it is buying the same tracks, yet again, when I've already purchased some of the same tracks two and three times as they were on two and three different discs.


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cueball wrote:
Only problem with your dream sequence is that if you bought that 5-piece Screwdriver set from Home Depot 2 years ago, you would not be able to return them today, let alone obtain a store credit for them


That's why it's a "dream sequence" you see. :roll:

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Bazza, you were just plain lucky with your purchase, and the fact that SC offered you a full retail value credit for a set of discs that you (admittedly) didn't even pay full retail for. Be happy with that knowledge.


I am happy! I got a good deal as I have stated ad nauseum. I am only responding to the usual attacks that I made some kind of foolish mistake, which it is now clear I did not.


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And you can keep them. There is no obligation to return your original discs. Why is it that because Bazza said he returned his SC discs that everyone thinks they will have to return all their SC discs?


I think that "Everyone" is just you :roll:


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Isn't SC doing this practice in general? Give me your old disks, we give you the full retail price in credit towards purchasing the GEM series? Again AFAIK SC is doing this with anyone who wants to do it that way. I think I even read that somewhere on their website.

The GEM series was never an option for me, since I have a lot of rare/out of print disks and altogether more than 11,000 unique SC tracks already.


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And you can keep them. There is no obligation to return your original discs. Why is it that because Bazza said he returned his SC discs that everyone thinks they will have to return all their SC discs?

I don't recall seeing anyone post anything about thinking they had to sell back their original discs to SC if they were to obtain the GEM Series from them. All I saw people saying in regard to this, was that they didn't feel the need to get the GEM series because they already owned more SC tracks than the GEM Series offers, and that the dupe ratio would be too high to make that purchase worth it.

I think the closest I've come to seeing something about being obligated to get rid of their SC tracks upon obtaining the GEM Series, was in regard to the proven pirates who agreed to getting the GEM Series. One of the stipulations was that they had to DESTROY all SC tracks for which they did not possess the original.


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Isn't SC doing this practice in general? Give me your old disks, we give you the full retail price in credit towards purchasing the GEM series? Again AFAIK SC is doing this with anyone who wants to do it that way. I think I even read that somewhere on their website.

The GEM series was never an option for me, since I have a lot of rare/out of print disks and altogether more than 11,000 unique SC tracks already.


Not that I know of... I've offered to sell mine back (at full retail just like Bazza) but either they are not interested or HarringtonLaw never relayed the offer.... Nor will they ("they" meaning SC not Harrington) guarantee that you won't be sued if you use the original disc in a karaoke player because their investigators apparently have a tendency to "make mistakes."


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c. staley wrote:
Not that I know of... I've offered to sell mine back (at full retail just like Bazza) but either they are not interested or HarringtonLaw never relayed the offer....


I was offered a credit towards the GEM series. Was your offer seriously towards obtaining credit towards a GEM set? Or were you just asking for them to buy them back?

There is a big difference between the two. If the latter, it was most certainly not "just like Bazza".


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Alex wrote:
Isn't SC doing this practice in general? Give me your old disks, we give you the full retail price in credit towards purchasing the GEM series? Again AFAIK SC is doing this with anyone who wants to do it that way. I think I even read that somewhere on their website.

The GEM series was never an option for me, since I have a lot of rare/out of print disks and altogether more than 11,000 unique SC tracks already.

I would get about $14000 credit if I sold all my SC discs back for full retail, but like you I have discs with songs that aren't included in the GEM & probably have close to 10000 SC tracks so buying the GEM would actually be a step backward.
Now if I were to start up a second system - GEM in a heartbeat for my core.

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Nor will they ("they" meaning SC not Harrington) guarantee that you won't be sued if you use the original disc in a karaoke player because their investigators apparently have a tendency to "make mistakes."

That's why I don't fly - the airlines can state that they won't crash - but cannot guarantee it.

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Lonman wrote:
That's why I don't fly - the airlines can state that they won't crash - but cannot guarantee it.


Except in this case, the airlines aren't guaranteeing that they won't sue you just for buying a ticket.

Big difference.


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I'm sure they might if you were counterfeiting tickets.

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Lonman wrote:
I'm sure they might if you were counterfeiting tickets.

This is about PURCHASING AN ORIGINAL TICKET and then being sued for trying to get on the plane... no need to continually twist the parameters to fit your agenda.

i.e. = Purchase an original disc to play on an original karaoke player and THEN getting NO guarantee that you won't be sued.

Those are the only parameters...


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Well I guess I just don't worry as much as you might about getting named. Show discs, be done. Over.
Just like Rodney said. 1 or 2 got in the net, oops, they were also re-released back into the water.
Playing from the computer is not an original.

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Lonman wrote:
Well I guess I just don't worry as much as you might about getting named. Show discs, be done. Over.
Just like Rodney said. 1 or 2 got in the net, oops, they were also re-released back into the water.
Playing from the computer is not an original.


Read what Rodney really said Lonman and be fair about it:

#1. "Getting named" is no such thing. Call it what it is: Getting SUED.
#2. Rodney claims there was NO investigation and APS admitted it to him.
#3. Harrington claims investigator "refused" to turn over report. (you have to ask yourself why in the world would this ever happen... unless there was no report to turn over.)
#4. It took over 100 days to be "done with it." And SC claiming the attorney didn't follow instructions.

You can try to minimize all you want, but if you're going to use Rodney's case as an example of any kind, at least be truthful about it.


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I just personally wouldn't worry, but that's just me. Not going to have thousands of dollars of investment just sitting around in storage. But again, that is just me.

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Yeah but try get get onboard with a counterfeit ticket.

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timberlea wrote:
Yeah but try get get onboard with a counterfeit ticket.


Timberlea,

Go up a couple posts and read carefully....

Catch up whenever you feel you can.... It's a "comprehension thing."

Lonman:
Of course you wouldn't worry about it... you work in 1 venue, never move your equipment, it's tribal land to boot.

If you're willing to give up your consumer rights, that "just you"... it ain't me.


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