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This statement is wholly inaccurate. I generally buy used discs from all different sources, but my favorites are sets from KJs going out of business. I recently purchased well OVER $10,000 (retail) worth of discs for about $500. These are the kind of deals I get all the time. By my math, that is FAR LESS than 1/3 that you claim you paid. In fact, it's roughly 1/20th of what retail price is! AND I get to keep them forever and not pay another dime to anyone for any reason to use them.
So who gets the better deal again?

29 votes so far and every one of them is a NO for a Cloud subscription. What does that tell you?

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Do you really think that these KJs are really going out of business; or do you think that they have ripped all of those discs to a hard drive and are now trying to pick up some extra cash buy selling them to some one else? I used to know a guy who scoured e-bay looking for used discs and whenever he bought them, he immediately ripped them or copied them and put them right back on e-bay for sale. I would venture to say that he wasnot the only person doing this.

I new a brick & mortar store up here that would copy every disc they got in, reshrink wrap it & sell it as new. Why would it surprise you that a KJ would rip and then sell off originals to recoup some dollars.

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Yes, the people I have purchased from HAVE gone out of business. How do I know? Because I am currently the ONLY karaoke provider in my area. I would know if they were ripping them and carrying on with business.
At any rate, I don't really care one way or the other. I have original discs and I'm legal. If they want to be idiots and do as you describe, it will eventually catch up with them. What does their foolishness have to do with me?

And why should YOU or any of us have to pay for the problem the pirates caused??

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If she is running from discs, she doesn't have to pay anything.

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I don't think that was the point Bruce was trying to make.
He stated that the people selling discs to me could be just ripping them and then selling them off instead of keeping them, thus not maintaining a 1:1 ratio.
My point is that's it's not my problem if they do that. I maintain my 1:1 ratio and that's all that matters to me.
As for having to pay an extra fee to format shift, I am in complete disagreement with that line of thinking, and once again, until that particular point is taken to court and ruled on, no one can say one way or the other what the law really is on it.

Unless you have the same 6000 Sound Choice songs I do your comparison is Apples & Oranges, plain & simple. I wanted the best base set in the business. You want the bargain bin. Your choice, but not the same and certainly not the same as the cloud as was your initial post.



It tells me the price it too high.

Again, wholly inaccurate. It seems you make a lot of assumptions regarding myself and my business.
Cry "apples & oranges" all you want. You're simply wrong on that count.
Of course I don't want "bargain basement" quality.
What I want is the best, at "bargain basement" prices, and that's what I have.
I just didn't have to pay top dollar for it and I see no need to do so now, or at any time in the future. And I know I have a very good quality library to show for it.
Why pay $20.00 + for a disc when you can pay $5.00, or even less for the same thing?
You happen to think that SC is the only "best" out there. I happen to disagree and so do my customers.

It isn't hard to figure out: This deal is mainly for PIRATES and NEW KJs! I don't see why they should be too concerned with trying to make it something useful for established KJs--there would be too much involved to make it relevant to all the scenarios spouted on here, again and again...but I am not being a cheerleader for it. Just making an observation...

I agree, but even for new KJ's starting out, it's not a practical long term solution as I pointed out before. The only one it would "benefit" is pirates and then, only to possibly avoid a lawsuit.

Am i the only one who is seeing the other side of the cloud

most bars now have a good sound system

and are paying a kj 150.00 to 250.00 to do a karaoke show
lets say even 125.00 at 125.00 thats 500.00 a month

if i had a bar
i would pay 200.00 for the cloud and make my manger or some one on salary do the show and could have karaoke 7 nights a week it stll only cost me 200.00 a month

i feel sorry for the kj who makes there money off of bars
and the hotels and casino

the cloud just made it easy for them
they dont care about the kj there is really no money from the kj the money is from the bars and hotels and other venues like that

do the math the kj in the long run is going to losse here
and not too the pirates and this is what they want
disc sales to fall to the way side and only sell content

Then we will never agree on this subject as me & my customers love them. Apples/Oranges.

nope, we all see it, that is why only one (maybe it was you?) voted for the cloud. all this is going to do is increase competition and lower rates further. it will be great for the crappy KJ's, no more moving gear, no more buying music, just walk in and go at the venue that has the cloud.
anyplace where the KJ is using the house system would be in the line of fire. instead of paying $125.00 (i hear a lot about discounting a touch for not hauling gear) and having you bring your music, just show up, take $50.00 and beer and go.

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not sure why you would think that you said
that is why only one (maybe it was you?) voted for the cloud
i was number 14 in the vote sorry you wrong about that
the cloud is the last thing i want to see happen
to me something about it stinks to high heaven

the way they moved asset from chartbuster and some others thing i heard from other law firms i don’t want anything to do with it

Most KJ's don't either. The only thing it will do is increase piracy and put legal KJ's out of business. KJ's who have supported Chartbuster and other manufacturers by spending thousands of dollars on legal library's, are now getting the shaft. It's obvious, that they don't care about you.

And you are correct, there would be no reason for a bar to hire and pay the going rate to a KJ anymore. Lets face it, most bar owners are cheap and don't want to pay out. If they can spend $200 a month for a Cloud subscription and have karaoke 7 nights a week if they want, there's no need for them to hire a professional karaoke host, is there?

This is the worst thing for legal KJ's. If bars and other venues buy into this, you can kiss being a KJ goodbye.

I just hope that Invicion brings back the KJ HD Media Pro (the way it was) and doesn't buy into this cloud BS.

Like I said, most of the revenue of the karaoke manufacturers have come from professionals spending thousands of dollars. We've continued to purchase and support them through the years. So now, where's our support??

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i apologize then. i said that because so far you were the only one to have anything positive to say about it. i did not mean anything else by it, i hope i did not offend you as that was not my intention.

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you said so far you were the only one to have anything positive
no not ment to be positive at least for anyone in here
some are up in here saying this is a great thing and wishing them well

but the cloud is a way for them to get put out of the kj spot light and they cant see it or dont see it

if it gets off the ground some will losses there gig by bars buying the cloud

you and i are all good no harm

If the Host is a professional, then they won't be affected one bit by the cloud, and they will command whatever price they ask for, as long as they can keep drawing people who will spend money.

Maybe the crappy hosts will be forced out of the business or lower their prices.

When DJ music started to go digital, the exact same argument was made. Nothing has really changed all that much, the professionals who are worth what they charge are doing just fine.

-James