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We can stat it up all we want, but the reality is....

Some prefer SC.
Some prefer other brands.
And some can't use SC so they prefer other brands because that is all they can use.

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-Chris

And that is absolutely not true. A more accurate statement would be: of all of the songs listed in Lonnie's songbook, 25.23% of the "songs that were actually sung" were SC brand. (Remember that we are not counting the number of times that a song gets sung, but how many times a brand shows up.) Even though over 48% of the library is made up of that brand alone.

so let's simplify the numbers since apparently you're having a problem conceptualizing what's really going on: let's say for example Lonnie songbook contains 1000 songs, and your brand is 480 of those songs. 250 of THOSE songs (with your brand) were sung in the course of the year, or roughly half.

520 songs – from other manufacturers made up the rest. This means that songs with your brand were played only about 31% of the time – not 50%. So that's one way of looking at it. The other way is to simply use straight numbers; the brand occupies 48% of the library but is only sung 25% of the time.


Then it's not a customer choice at all and not relevant. Just as my numbers wouldn't be relevant since I haven't used the brand in years. Otherwise, my numbers would be that "100% of other brands are used and ZERO SC" which is also just as true.

I did not write that. Earthling did. So argue with him.

The numbers don't mean squat. I have a 65,000 tracks because I continue to add tracks from acquisitions even though I will never use them. That forces dilution of the percentage of SC.

Anyone can simply delete all the tracks that are dupes from other brands and the brands that are complete crap and raise the percentage of SC.

Numbers can be made to fit, so they do lie at the behest of the manipulator.

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I have already explained why that is an irrelevant statistic.

The KJ's job, among other things, is to fill the allotted time with music based on patrons' preferences.

If the patrons want to hear "Killing Me Softly" every other night, the value of having that song in the library is much higher than the value of having some song that gets sung one time, because it fills more time.

About half of the aggregated time of all the karaoke shows in America is filled with an SC song being played. Sound Choice is the undisputed powerhouse of American karaoke. Come to think of it, we might just use that as our next marketing slogan.

Actually, the purpose of the numbers was not to prove the popularity of Sound Choice, I think it is self-evident that they are popular (even within the posted numbers).

The purpose of the numbers was to answer a question posed by Paradigm:

My numbers show that a little over half of the Gem tracks go completely unused in the given year. That same proportion holds true from the original purchase five years ago.
The take away from that is the true per track cost to this venue by actual use has been a little over double the advertised per track cost.
This information can be useful in determining the most cost effective means of building a library and adding to it.

The numbers do mean squat and more.
Tracking numbers such as these can be extremely useful in understanding your own business in terms of what the numbers show. By tracking the numbers through periods of time you can identify trends or changes within your crowds and adapt to them.

There is much knowledge to be gained by tracking the numbers, but that data is typically only useful to the one entity from which the numbers are harvested.

My numbers can not be used to show a national trend unless they are combined with national numbers. Sadly, not enough people have the ability to mine this data to make that happen.


Trust me, the patrons do not want to hear "Killing Me Softly" every other night; there are merely a small handful of singers who think they do.

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Ignore my stats altogether! I just realized at least half of what I copied to me Excel sheet didn't copy. So my numbers on how many SC tracks is wrong at this time!

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Rookie..

Lonnie - create a new query in Access in the Karma.mdb database and change the view to sql. Copy the following sql to it.

SELECT Left(Mid([SingerHistory.MediaPath],InStrRev([SingerHistory.MediaPath],"\")+1),Len(Mid([SingerHistory.MediaPath],InStrRev([SingerHistory.MediaPath],"\")+1))-4) AS song, Count(Left(Mid([SingerHistory.MediaPath],InStrRev([SingerHistory.MediaPath],"\")+1),Len(Mid([SingerHistory.MediaPath],InStrRev([SingerHistory.MediaPath],"\")+1))-4)) AS TimesSung
FROM SingerHistory
GROUP BY Left(Mid([SingerHistory.MediaPath],InStrRev([SingerHistory.MediaPath],"\")+1),Len(Mid([SingerHistory.MediaPath],InStrRev([SingerHistory.MediaPath],"\")+1))-4)
ORDER BY Count(Left(Mid([SingerHistory.MediaPath],InStrRev([SingerHistory.MediaPath],"\")+1),Len(Mid([SingerHistory.MediaPath],InStrRev([SingerHistory.MediaPath],"\")+1))-4)) DESC;


Save the query as SongCount

This will give you All Brands DiscID-Artist-Title in order of most times sung to least times sung

If you want to see ONLY Sound Choice songs -
Run the query
You should now be in DataSheet View
Click the header on the Song field
Click Filter - Text Filters - Begins with
A custom filter input box will pop up
Type in SC and click OK button
You now have all SC tracks in order of times sung
to show all brands again just click toggle filter






Click

I don't believe he uses Karma. He uses Hoster.

Most of the hosting programs can export to csv.
I know Lon does his songbooks in Access.

The posted SQL can be easily modified with whatever field name and table name he chooses to import his data into Access.
Other than a file naming convention where DiscID is first before the artist or title, all it needs is a field that contains a fully qualified path, filename, and extension to work.

Apparently

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This would be great advice IF I USED KARMA!!!!!! I have the data now just have to double check some stuff!

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dsm2000, I sent you a PM.

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The frustrating part (for Me)... is that a number of songs I WANT in my library are not available from any other vendor but SC. Mr Brownstone, If ya don't start drinkin', and a few others but no where worth the cost. KV did release The Cult "Sanctuary" and a couple of others I'll be buying this weekend. My solution was to sing em without graphics from NON SC tracks and not list em. I'm working with a full SC list to compare and see roughly how many songs really seem to only exist on SC.
With bars lowering their KJ pay because singers don't drink enough anymore or order $30.00 meals, its getting pretty bleak looking in my part of the country. The only remaining GEM guy in my area is nowhere to be found and not returning calls. We'll see.

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Which brings us to the very heart of why your pricing model is totally bogus in this day of single download availability.
Being forced to pay for 40000 turds that will never see the light of day just to be able to play 200 gems is absurd.

To be forced to pay repeatedly for ever and ever for said turds and gems is even MORE absurd and is not a viable model in this day and age of technology.

In the old days, the monopolistic extortion by the music industry was enforceable only because a gem was only available surrounded by turds in album form.

Said extortion is no longer enforceable with the variety of ways now available to users to purchase songs.

Streaming and subscription models are just the last ditch attempt of music companies to maintain monopolistic control and gouge the public.

The main reason for piracy is simply the unabashed GREED of the music industry.

If one company had the Balls and Brains to set up the pricing model that follows they could put all the other producers out of business in no time.

1) Outright song purchase - 4.00 per song - You own it. You can play it on ANY of your systems as long as it is not playing on more than one of them at a time.

2) Monthly/Yearly - Play to buy song purchase service - .10 cents per play per song until the song has been played 60 times. Once that count is reached, you own that song along with the rights in # 1 above.

This concept is interesting, and you've clearly put some thought into it. But there is a problem with it.

The fundamental problem with your model is that it relies primarily on voluntary compliance. We had a model that relied on voluntary compliance. It didn't work. The reason why your model has to rely on voluntary compliance is because there is no technology available that would enforce the restrictions in option 1 or track the usage in option 2.

I disagree with your suggestion that anyone is forced to pay for 40,000 "turds" to get 200 gems. The 6,000 (actually 6,078, now) tracks on the GEM series are all high-quality, popular tracks. Will every track be played at some point? Of course not. That's not the point of a professional system.

That being said, the set was designed with some customization in mind (there are 6 300-track components that are more genre-specific, for example). It's true, of course, that in its CD+G products, SC included repeats of popular tracks on its discs with some frequency. The reason for that is simple: Not everyone buys every disc that comes out. We made an effort to create discs that would sell at the time they were being offered by grouping tracks together in a common theme--a single artist, two similar bands, similar content, or popularity at a specific point in time. Sometimes that meant including material that might have been purchased before.

The economics of the medium dictated that we group tracks together. For example, the raw materials cost from pressing a disc is about $1 for the quantities we sold, no matter how many tracks you put on it. On top of that, every time we put a track on a new version of a disc, we had to pay $100 to $150 as a "fixing fee" to the publisher. So tracks have to be sold together.

As far as our current model (HELP) goes, we're responding to the market. A large percentage of operators (we estimate that it's in the 90-95% range, but even if it were 80%, that's still huge) already have and use almost all of our historical output. They want to have all of that product available, "turds" and all, so we offer a pricing model that gets us and our publisher participants paid for what they were already willing to do. It's a very popular plan, especially when they see us coming to enforce our rights.

karaoke.net is trying to do a lot of the 'only on one brand' requests, throw in a request there.

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It's the future, like it or not:
NASHVILLE, TENN.
A week after launching its paid streaming music service, Amazon announced a deal with one of streaming music's biggest holdouts: country superstar Garth Brooks.

Brooks, the best-selling solo artist in U.S. history with 138 million albums sold, has kept his music off streaming services. On Wednesday, select albums and songs will be available on Amazon Music Unlimited.

His albums, previously available only through his GhostTunes service, will be sold digitally via Amazon Music.

Karaoke-version also has a song request form on their site. Songs to purchase are $2.99/per track.

If SoundChoice ever decides to release new tracks. I would prefer Soundchoice over many others.

Even with the price increase of the Gem set. It's still a better option for kj's wanting to build a solid collection.

Thanks Lonman, I've put in requests to KV and KN. Sanctuary and Lift me up came out on KV as requested.

Niagra Falls....
With all due respect, If I were on the Islands, or in a place like south florida with a massive tourist trade, I might agree with you and already have a GEM set just because it exists. Out here in the boonies (Looks like a decent city but it's not!), the money simply is not there. I really wish I had your budget! Considering I'm somewhere around 2k so far in disks etc...in a year, I think I'm doing pretty good except for the "Soundchoice Owns 80's and 90's Rock hits" problem. Frankly that's the only material I even care about from SC. $$$ simply ain't in this market.

Don't tell me about the help license would have cost less......A lot of the stuff that has actually cost the most money is the newer stuff that's not on SC. MRE essentials, Decades, Mrh, Zoom pcp, Zoom packs, singers solution country all cost more than my
Almost complete THM/PHM/PHT/SIN sets, sunfly buyouts, Housepartys, SGB, Radio/Country starz etc. The sundowns have been the priciest to find.
Used SC disks are starting to go wayyyy up.

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