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And if the brand is indeed EV, no way could the speaker be the problem, sorry, can't buy that If it's EW, well, maybe The Electro-Voice brand is the best I've ever heard, it's how speakers should sound in my opinion

Sorry for the typos in the last post; I am most definitely talking about EV and referring to two different EV models that were "unacceptable". And I don't think we would have ended up paying more money and getting the QSC's if the EV's were doing a good job.

I do know that there were specific tracks of music used to compare the equipment. I did not ask how those particular tracks were selected. But there was no doubt that the trained ear, using those tracks in a "studio" environment, heard significant distinctions. And I noticed that certain parts of those tracks were gone over more than others during the comparison!

I did not like the first EV's and was glad to hear they were to be upgraded. The next pair did not excite me either. What else can I say?

Out of curiosity, which model did you have? Are we talking about this one:

http://www.electrovoice.com/products/201.html

It's a little to late to call my partner. I thought he had indicated that the model was XX250, but perhaps it was sX250? I'll check tomorrow. Why do you ask?

The reason I'm asking is I remember hearing the SX-250 and I was blown away with the richness and how clean they sounded, it was compared at the time with JBL, Mackie, Yorkville, Yamaha and no other brand sounded that good! I personally can't believe that someone would complain about this model, I think it's how it should sound I'd say the room and or the EQ or the source was the factor here, not the speakers

I'm now a huge fan of EV and after a recent shopping where I tested many brands, I came to the conclusion that you have EV and you have the others for sound quality.

In response to your opinion about hosts (KJ,DJ, Emcees) not needing any talent to run a show, must be a regional thing for you.. I am curious to know what part of the country or planet you live. In my neck of the woods, aka South Florida, we have on acception to what i would consider to be the rule, whom has many shows, with many un-experienced and talentless KJ's working for them, yet they still go on. now the main reason for that is because there shows don't last very long, and the owner is constantly going and getting new gigs, and promising the world to the bar owners, as well buying drinks, giving movie tickets, and whatever else they can away to keep people coming to there shows. they have a decent library, but extremely inferior sound, with poor hosting/singing ability, yet they survive due to the aggressiveness of the owner to keep them working.

as for my background, i experienced karaoke for the first time in 1991, with cassette tapes and a huge stand with thousands of pages of words in front of you to have to scroll through to find the song you were singing. now i didn't become a karaoke host until about 3 years ago, yet i worked as a singer/entertainer for a company for many years, part time as i was a home theater/pro gear business owner as well at that time. i decided that i wanted to retire from my business and get back to what it really enjoyed most, which was entertaining people, again i said "entertaining" people! not meaning you sing all night at your karaoke show but more to the effect that you read your crowd, be extremely enthusiastic when a singer finishes, and announcing the next singer!

as for my sound system and music, with my experience in the pro and home audio industry, i have put together an excellent setup. what i am known for by my following is first, they like me, and how i do my show, they then like my library, and third, they like my sound system, and they are comfortable in the venue!

so in closing, the most important part of the show, at least where i live, is the host!

Was that in response to my post

I Happen to be the guy who "ericlater" was talking about, and i am sure your knowledge of a/v is excellent, but you didn't get the whole story!

3 years ago when i decided to sell my shares of my home theater company to my partners and get back into the entertainment business, i took a chunk of money an invested in a PA setup for DJ-ing and Karaoke. being that my older brother owns a record label, i also at the time read up on equipment in his Mix magazines when i had the chance.. and was a little behind on what was available to me at the time.

The first setup I Put Together consisted of a pair of EV SxA100 powered speakers, a Yamaha MG124CX 12 Channel Mixer (with Effects), 3 Audix OM2 microphones, Monter Cables for all of my connections, along with all of the numerous sound choice, music maestro, DK, etc. karaoke discs i had to purchase and convert to MP3+G for my library, and Roxbox to run it in my laptop..

I was pleased with this setup for medium to small venues, but was looking to get a better setup for larger venues. after 2 years of doing 3 shows a week, i stopped at a friends show one night, parked my car in the back of the bar, and came out later to a broken passenger window, and no equipment, laptop, etc. the only thing i was left with was my song books, mic stands and speakers stands which were in my trunk. i also had a backup drive at home along with my entire CDG library (thank God!)
I never then and and rarely now get people bringing discs to my shows, so i never bought a CDG player. 95% of the time i have the song and version they are looking for.

Well, i was screwed, needless to say, but one of my friends helped me out for a while until i had the money saved up for what i wanted. so about 4 months ago, i purchased my new setup: a pair of EV SaX250 2 way 15inch powered speakers,
Yamaha MG166C 16 Channel Rack Mount Mixer, Lexicon MX200 Dual Reverb and Multi Effect Processor, 3 Audix OM5 Hypercardioid Dynamic Microphones, dbx 215 Dual 15 Band Graphic Equalizer, Monster Power PRO 2500 PowerCenter Surge Suppressor, all of which are in an Odyssey flight case, with a laptop slider on top (very cool!), and a Tri-fold Odyssey base to put the case on at gigs with no DJ Booth. again, all of my cables are monster 500 or 1000 series.

Well, I did 2 of my 3 shows that week with the EV's and was extremely dissappointed with the Bass Responce, now i didn't tell you that the guy at Sam Ash along with numerous reviews, Talked me into them, over the JBL EON and Mackie, and said the JBL's were not hooked up! I did a lot of research on the Mackie, JBL and EV specs online and with friends in the industry, and they all said they also preferred the EV's of these 3 brands. I discussed my feelings and dissappointment about the EV's with a friend that does a lot of live sound shows, and he recommended i listen to the QSC's, i told him, "you mean the amplifier company" and he said yes, they have been in the Powered Speaker realm for some time now and they are a little more than EV, but much better sounding. well i went back to Sam Ash and demanded to Hear the QSC HPR122i's, well, when finally Listening to the QSC's i was blown away! someone on this forum was quoted saying that "Behringer was the poor man's QSC" well, now after owning QSC's for 4 months, I would have to say that you might as well just save up for the QSC's instead of wasting money on anything else..

It was mentioned in the quote at the top of my reply about a Smiley Face setting on the EQ, and not EQing the EV's properly. well, here is the truth:

SPEAKER DESIGN 101:

a well designed speaker needs very little EQ in most rooms, and the fact that you have to do constant adjusting to the EV says alot about its Quality ( don't reply to me about room sizes, surfaces, rooms before they are filled with people and such!)
when you should know that a well designed and performing speakers does change its characteristics as the night goes on. the amplifier warms up, and the coils in the speakers drivers (woofer, tweeter) also warm up, which improves sound.

WITHOUT GETTING TOO TECHNICAL/AUDIOPILE/ENGINEER SOUNDING!

putting all else aside, if you look at the QSC speaker design, build quality, and amplifier, driver (woofer, Tweeter) quality, and truly know what you are talking about when it comes to speaker design, then you will understand why, for a few dollars more, a 2-way 12inch QSC, drastically out performs a comparably priced 2-way 15inch EV.

Had I even known that QSC made speakers, and was able to listen to them when i did my comparison, i wouldn't have left the store with the EV's!! i had even considered EAW but they are not powered, and even more expensive!


my bad for not doing more research.

this is just my humble opinion with over 25 years experience in the A/V industry.
Again, I could still be in the A/V industry, but i chose to have more free time and enjoy life!

I am with you on the wireless Mics, that is why i don't use them until i want to invest in better ones!!! Shure, EV, Audio Technica, Sennheiser, etc..

Quotes By Mickey!



You really owe it to yourself to listen to QSC especially when a 2 way 12 inch speaker, overwhelmingly out performs a 2 way 15inch speaker! again i had EV for 2 years, and was happy with them, they were the SxA100's 2 way 12 inch. but i wanted something larger for bigger venues. that is why i went with the SxA250's.


There is a drastic difference between the QSC HPR122i's 2-way 12 inch and the EV Sxa250's 2-way 15 inch, and forget about comparing them with the QSC HPR152i's 2-way 15inch! they are insane!! i am actually considering getting a pair of QSC HPR153i 3 Way 15" for bigger and outdoor venues.

end quote " a larger, higher quality speaker will sound better at lower volumes in smaller rooms, than a comparible size, lesser quality, or a smaller speaker will!"

stormtown @ Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:02 pm wrote:
In response to your opinion about hosts (KJ,DJ, Emcees) not needing any talent to run a show, must be a regional thing for you.. I am curious to know what part of the country or planet you live. In my neck of the woods, aka South Florida, we have on acception to what i would consider to be the rule, whom has many shows, with many un-experienced and talentless KJ's working for them, yet they still go on. now the main reason for that is because there shows don't last very long, and the owner is constantly going and getting new gigs, and promising the world to the bar owners, as well buying drinks, giving movie tickets, and whatever else they can away to keep people coming to there shows. they have a decent library, but extremely inferior sound, with poor hosting/singing ability, yet they survive due to the aggressiveness of the owner to keep them working.

as for my background, i experienced karaoke for the first time in 1991, with cassette tapes and a huge stand with thousands of pages of words in front of you to have to scroll through to find the song you were singing. now i didn't become a karaoke host until about 3 years ago, yet i worked as a singer/entertainer for a company for many years, part time as i was a home theater/pro gear business owner as well at that time. i decided that i wanted to retire from my business and get back to what it really enjoyed most, which was entertaining people, again i said "entertaining" people! not meaning you sing all night at your karaoke show but more to the effect that you read your crowd, be extremely enthusiastic when a singer finishes, and announcing the next singer!

as for my sound system and music, with my experience in the pro and home audio industry, i have put together an excellent setup. what i am known for by my following is first, they like me, and how i do my show, they then like my library, and third, they like my sound system, and they are comfortable in the venue!

so in closing, the most important part of the show, at least where i live, is the host!


Mickey said:
Was that in response to my post.



no, i dont think so, and i am just figuring all this out.!! !!

Stormtown,

I do agree with you that a good pair of speakers with a good flat response should not need an EQ to make it sound better in a decent room size for the model your testing, but, we're not talking about a studio setup here, the room size, speaker placement, ceiling... has an impact on how the speakers will sound. For your own setup, yes, the QSC might be a better choice and I don't think anyone will question that, but please, you can't say EV and or the Sx-250 sound bad That's my point, not your decision of changing speakers for your own venue

I did, and guess where? At Sam Ash Florida back in June

You see, I come from the world of high fidelity and always loved the rich British sound, so, finding a good smooth pair of pa's was quite a big task So far, all the pa's I've tested needed and EQ, none were flat, including QSC. I finally decided to go with the EV ZX1-90 and will get the subs later on... You see, I'm no KJ or DJ and I bought them for my home use.

There's so many brands out there, but so little manufacture They all have their own sound signature and I ended my choice on EV for their sound fidelity, it's the closer I could get to my "High Fidelity" world

If you are using a powered PA speaker for home use, and love the rich sound of English speakers, and also plan to purchase a sub or even 2, you should have seriously considered listening to DynAudio or Genelec, or even Adam Monitors, that is if your goal was to use powered speakers, also DynAudio and a few other companies make powered speakers for home applications. i also wonder why you never considered B&W or Focal ?

are they for a 2 channel system or a theater application?

The EV Zx1-90 are passive not active. I do own some good British monitors but are not made for live karaoke singing Your suggested speakers are good brands but my goal was not to build myself another high fidelity system, that I have already.

Here they are:
http://www.electrovoice.com/products/250.html

Combined with their 12" subs, simply incredible