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I suggest you try the "calculator" again for a single or married person making $300,000. Their tax burden is quite a bit more than $5,000!

For the record, I agree with Matt all the way!......Ron

On the strictly business standpoint, I thought it was bad judgement also....Ron

i meant the "difference" between the 2 candidates plans..either candidate is taking over 80,000...but the ridiculous complaint is how much "MORE" they will pay under Obama..which is 5,000 dollars more...still I say boohoo...I dont know what your taxable income is, but i would still trade for my taxless salary..i take HUGE offense to anybody who says they work harder for their money than the lower class..I guess Im more about sharing what i have than hoarding it all to myself..

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on my reread i agree as well as an elected official one should set a good example. I was just saying that people doing stupid things in a free country doesnt bother me that much. Id rather shake my head at them in dissapointment, rather than see em get dragged off to be executed. But you could make the same argument of setting a bad example as an elected official telling rape jokes in public as well, as McCain did once in his past. We all make mistakes.

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I'm not a lawyer and I just interpreted as I saw it. Sounds complex at the very least and I agree with the statement made that the courts would do anything to avoid a ruling on this as it would cause chaos this late in the game.

Matt, I agree with you 100%. I have been in the military too. It completely irriates me to know a man is running for president who is not a patriot. While it is a right of every American to believe what they want, there is one belief that we all should share and that involves patriotism to our country. It is not perfect. We, as a nation have made our fair share of mistakes, but it is our country and regardless of what Bush or anyone else has done, there are men who have bled and died to keep that flag flying and for that and that alone, we deserve to respect it. Oboma has not respect and no patriotism in his heart! That is just my opinion and only worth something to me! I dont expect anyone else to agree with me. But I do expect people to respect my country and my flag. --Mike

They have promised to reduce taxes and clean the rivers fir years the rivers are polluted and taxes have doubled 4 times. They cant even maintain bridges yet they want to tell you how to think. WAKE UP!!

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Obama said the photo was taken during the singing of the national anthem, not the pledge.

His statement: “During the Pledge of Allegiance you put your hand over your heart. During the national anthem you sing."

Not that this will make any bit of difference to you guys who have your minds made up, but that picture is one instance. Can you really say that he is NOT PATRIOTIC just because he didn't put his hand in the right place in one picture that you've seen? Do you think the former General and Secretary of State Colin Powell is a fool? Do you think he would place his valuable endorsement on a guy who is unpatriotic?

I am not sure what Powel would do. I simply am suggesting, that I would not give the man the time of day because, to me, he is not a patriot. I am not sure how people do it all over the country, but here in Texas, when you say the pledge and when you sing the national anthem, you take off your hat if your wearing one and you place your hand over your heart when you sing and when you say the pledge. Oboma, is making an excuse for his behavior as far as I am concerned. Again, that is just my opinion. The idea of someone like that becoming Commander in Chief of our armed forces, again, to me, is sickening and a slap in the face of the men and women who have worn, and who now wear the uniform. Just my opinion, which I usually keep to myself. --Mike

OK, somebody/everybody define for me what is required to be considered a US patriot.
I'm not wondering so much about what is not patriotic, but rather what is a patriot?

If you do not know then you do not deserve to b=vote . I AM A PATRIOT...

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two topics that can guarantee to get everyone hot under the collar...
politics and religion

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What I was hoping to find out is if we have a common consensus as to what a patriot is. To me a patriot is someone who supports, loves and defends his country and has the best interests of its citizens as the top priority. What else is required?

This political debate on the US Presedental Election is about the most civil that I come across in a forum of any kind.

Keep it that way folks.

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Don I totally agree...posturing does not a patriot make...same as church-going does not a christian make. You can pose and posture and create a veneer that is acceptable to the masses...but does that mean at the end of the day you are the better person for the role you are trying to stage produce?...I think not.

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Some of us believe that the term "patriot" includes a level of devotion.

Some of us, based upon comments by Michelle Obama, question the true level of devotion felt by the Obamas.

Some of us, because of Barack's involvement with Wm Ayers, an admitted terrorist, also question his true level of devotion. If Adolf Hitler were still alive, what would you think of any German today who "worked" and joined forces in any effort with him? Would you be placated by the fact that said German wasn't even born when Hitler did his despicable deeds? Would you be satisfied if said German told you he found Hitler's deeds to be despicable?

And Obama's relationship with Ayers was more than casual. I've been lead to believe that they were the ones responsible for establishing the By-Laws for the foundation they lead. Doing so puts two people into a more intimate relationship than just waving hello to one another from across a meeting room

IMHO, not only were Hitler's deed despicable --HE WAS DESPICABLE! And I have to wonder when it was that we began to separate a man from his deeds?

Ericlater, I agree with you. A persons deeds can be a gateway to his /her heart. And I do question their true patrotism in light of the things you mention. Is any of that important to us as citizens? Absolutely. It is of utmost importance! The Obama's do show a complete lack of devotion to this country, and to me, is hiding the true person he is behind a smile and smoothe retoric.

Yes Odie, but I might add one that isn't afraid to show it.....

To those that have mentioned my public service, thanks. That was kool! Not necessary at all, and speaks volumes about those I associate with!

Speaking politics on a public forum is always a kettle about to boil over. I do thank those that I totally disagree with. You have your right to your opinion as much as I do to mine, and I respect those I completely disagree with!! I really do!

Having said that, I could care LESS who a person associates with. That has nothing to do with how I base my opionon on if they're qualified to lead us in one position or another. You can have someone bump into you, someone else see it, and suddenly you're "associated" with that other person!! ! Hey, did ya know that Matt is associated with the KKK? Check out what this other dude that witnessed it has to say about that?

In the public eye, a visual perception is everything.

So when a U.S. Senator doesn't put his hand on his heart or salutes the singing of the national anthem, and his rival (Clinton) does? A mayor does as well? Yeah, it makes me BEGIN to question that person's patriotism. Even out of POLITENESS sake, anybody that's served our country knows to put your hand on your heart during the pledge or the national anthem! I get stares at the ballgame when I SALUTE afterwards. And I did that as a member of the Boy Scouts, and as an Eagle Scout. WAY before I ever took the oath and pledge as a service member.

It's about PRIDE in my country. I was brought up with it, and enthusiastically I entered service to show that. I have a tatoo of the Air Force symbol on one shoulder and the Yin Yang symbol on my other, reflecting my beliefs in THAT as well!

Personally speaking, I HONESTLY feel anybody that serves in public office SHOULD serve in the military! Or be a public servant that has risked their life or health such as a fireman, law enforcement, hospital employee. They should TRULY know what it's like to devote your entire being into serving the public, WAY before you ever represent those you're serving later in public office! I'm guessing that they'd have a MUCH bigger appreciation for what they're doing if they did!

Is Obama patriotic? I'm guessing he is. I'm guessing he's a good father and husband. I freely admit I don't know much about him. But he's also done the political spin so much that I can't tell the truth from the lies. Being a member of Rev. Wright's church for over TWENTY years and he doesn't know what kind of man that guy really is? Gimme a break! I'm no huge Oprah fan but even she knew enough to get far away from that idiot quickly!

Made up my mind already? Hardly! But I know what I have seen already, and I don't LIKE it!