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PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 2:27 pm 
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My over 5000 song library does NOT include duplicates. And hard to believe or not, I have NEVER had a request for a cdg to be played. When it happens, I will tell you. As I said before, nothing has swayed my decision not to invest in a player at this time. Just my own personal preference. If you won't come to my show, sorry.

Note to self. Plan trip to Quad Cities with full personal library of songs. LOL


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karaoke koyote @ Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:21 pm wrote:
JoeChartreuse @ Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:03 am wrote:
If a singer practices at home with THEIR preferred version, they will want to sing THAT version, whether we might think it inferior or not.

Of course, playing customer discs also allows a patron to sing a song that I may not have as well..


Absolutely, Joe! I can atest that this capability has made me popular in two of my gigs, and that popularity garnered me a gig for Thursday nights! Its these little touches that says to people that you're different, and you care about the show and the singers! :D


And that, ladies and gentlemen is the post ( knowing AND caring about the small touches) of a true Karaoke Host, not a "next-press play" KJ.

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In my oh so humble opinion, the reality is that the patrons really don't care one way or another where your music came from.

Start focusing on the SHOW instead of the origin of the music. Give em' a great SHOW, and you win the game!


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BarryKaraoke @ Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:48 am wrote:
In my oh so humble opinion, the reality is that the patrons really don't care one way or another where your music came from.

The singer could care less - and I really don't blame them! They just know "hey the kj has all the songs they want to sing".
They just do not realize that supporting these kj's, that they are in fact helping to contribute to the decline of karaoke - even for them.

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Absolutely my point, Lonman. It's difficult enough to convince a place that you have a really great show when the first thing they ask is what you charge...and if the pirates in the area have dragged the price of a show down to $100 or less, if you tell them you charge more than that, they can't believe you have the nerve!


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I think in general a non-pirate KJ is going to run a higher quality show. Most of them have built their library slowly, often based on customer requests. In doing this, they get to know their customers. Customers appreciate this. On the other hand, the pirate does not require this interaction as they already own all of the karaoke songs in the world.


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And I believe longevity in the biz speaks volumes just for that reason.


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CDG's are all I play and I tell people to bring their own if I don't have a particular song. So, I don't have a problem playing discs at all. I even tell them to bring other stuff if they want to.


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seattledrizzle @ Tue Jun 30, 2009 7:42 pm wrote:
I think in general a non-pirate KJ is going to run a higher quality show. Most of them have built their library slowly, often based on customer requests. In doing this, they get to know their customers. Customers appreciate this. On the other hand, the pirate does not require this interaction as they already own all of the karaoke songs in the world.


There's a pirate show in my area that fails because he assumes he has every song. . . What he forgets is that people are strange folks with strange tastes and habits. . . and most importantly thanks to a few good hosts, who will buy not only the songs you want but also on the brand you want (within reason) a lot of people dislike his hard drive rammed full with DK and BS.


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ripman8 @ Sun Jun 21, 2009 3:51 pm wrote:
P.S. Have yet to have a request from someone to play their cdg. Player won't fit in my custome built rack, nothing tilting my decision not to carry one to providing one yet.


I won't let them as I'm on PC...same when the customer asks to sing off their owm Flash Drive "Pen"..you don't know what nasty suprises are on it


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Marble @ Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:06 pm wrote:
There's a pirate show in my area that fails because he assumes he has every song

Well that's part of it, people who obtain these 100K songs on a loaded hard drive just assume they must have everything ever recorded. Sad thing is that probably half the library is duplicates, a third of that library is probably foreign songs (almost useless in the states) then the rest
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. . . What he forgets is that people are strange folks with strange tastes and habits. . . and most importantly thanks to a few good hosts, who will buy not only the songs you want but also on the brand you want (within reason) a lot of people dislike his hard drive rammed full with DK and BS.

Well I have seen hard drives stuffed with the good brands as well, but yes I have seen more of the cheap quality songs on loaded drives more often.

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I got a Pirate show down the street from my house. I stopped and looked at their book and LITERALLY EACH song listed had AT LEAST 5 DUPES. Some had over 15!! Simply ABSURD. The girl running the thing was a pretty mirror fogger and not much else. Speakers sitting on the floor. KJ positioned in a corner behind the singer so you had to walk in front of the singer and his TV to get to the KJ to drop off your slip. ABSURD. One of these so-called "entertainment" companies(see also multi-rigger, eg EBAY pirated harddrive laptop rigs) .

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My over 5000 song library does NOT include duplicates. And hard to believe or not, I have NEVER had a request for a cdg to be played. When it happens, I will tell you. As I said before, nothing has swayed my decision not to invest in a player at this time. Just my own personal preference. If you won't come to my show, sorry.

Note to self. Plan trip to Quad Cities with full personal library of songs. LOL


I double dog dare you! Been a few years since I've been to Wisconsin. Use to date a cheerleader from Sheboygan. Hope I spelled that right!

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Some kj's have some crummy versions of songs. With the exception of 1 place I was singing karaoke one night, the kj's had the same version of a particular song on my list. I'm not saying all kj's do, but at least the ones I have have seen do. The one that has the same version of a particular song I have in mind seems to be more professional than most that I have seen. What I noticed from a particular kj is, even though I retreived all my slips and he said he doesn't have my songs any more, miraculously he found them in his computer. Hmmmm. Imagine that. He gives me a songs without me turning in a slip. Huh. Surprise surprise.


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ripman8 @ Tue Jun 30, 2009 5:14 pm wrote:
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My over 5000 song library does NOT include duplicates. And hard to believe or not, I have NEVER had a request for a cdg to be played. When it happens, I will tell you. As I said before, nothing has swayed my decision not to invest in a player at this time. Just my own personal preference. If you won't come to my show, sorry.

Note to self. Plan trip to Quad Cities with full personal library of songs. LOL


I double dog dare you! Been a few years since I've been to Wisconsin. Use to date a cheerleader from Sheboygan. Hope I spelled that right!

Haha. Yes you spelled it right. I would love to make that trip to the Quad cities, Ripman. Don't know when I can, though. I lived for a short time in Moline.


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kameragurl @ Tue Jun 30, 2009 6:36 pm wrote:
What I noticed from a particular kj is, even though I retreived all my slips and he said he doesn't have my songs any more, miraculously he found them in his computer. Hmmmm. Imagine that. He gives me a songs without me turning in a slip. Huh. Surprise surprise.


That's called a database. It saves which singer sang what - not save the actual music. :roll:

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Lonman @ Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:32 pm wrote:
kameragurl @ Tue Jun 30, 2009 6:36 pm wrote:
What I noticed from a particular kj is, even though I retreived all my slips and he said he doesn't have my songs any more, miraculously he found them in his computer. Hmmmm. Imagine that. He gives me a songs without me turning in a slip. Huh. Surprise surprise.


That's called a database. It saves which singer sang what - not save the actual music. :roll:


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When a KJ sells all of his disks and only has receipts for what he bought, is this legal? What about the 1 to 1 ratio?


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If you mean, can a KJ copy his discs to his computer then sell the discs and run the show off of the computer, no--not legal to use the computer copies without retaining the discs.


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yep, he now has copies of something he no longer has the rights to have. By taking the money for the discs, he's sold the ability to have digitial copies of it.

There's a local competitor of mine who openly buys the physical discs from unknowing kjs that do this. I tell them on our open forum "you can't even PROVE you own the discs now, so you have NO excuse to hand any powers that be if you were ever audited.'

My "friend" openly laughs about it. "Hey, it's their butt on the line, not mine!"

To me, this is JUST as bad as the one's selling it, but that's my sense of morality raising it's head, as it's just not fair to take advantage of someone that is entering into a legal grey area unknowingly without even SOME of the facts. All these digital kjs think is "Great, it's easier now, and they're protected, so I don't need the discs...
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Nothing could be further from the truth!


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