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On the subject of Beta 87's being durable "They are not" drops can kill them quickly and while the shock mount for the cart works very well it is actually very delicate and will not stand much abuse, a 58 itr ain't but it is an awesome performance mic for female or higher range vocalist!


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My experience with SM58 mics has been mixed (pardon the pun). I have had SEVERAL fail over the years, due to drops, and yes, these are real SM58 mics, not knockoffs (again, pardon the pun).

The most robust microphones I have owned are several EV Cobalt 9 mics that I bought on a whim, once. I have always liked EV, and these have been great! I have seen one of them fly 30 feet across a room and land head down on the dance floor, and still work great. The dent left in the screen is noticeable only upon VERY close inspection, and is really more like a very slight flattening in one small spot.

As for having a tight pickup (supercardioid or hypercardioid) vs a more forgiving cardioid, like the SM58, I'll take the tighter pattern, any day. For inexperienced singers, hinting at them to hold the mic closer, and not be afraid of it does wonders, and if that doesn't work, I can still turn the mic up more, without feedback than what I can with an SM58, every time. Your mileage may vary.

For a wireless bargain, I like my VocoPro UHF-5805 set. They have been solid performers, and experienced singers often compliment me on having good mics. I would put these up against an SM58, for sound quality, ANY time. Durability? They are holding up nicely, and I have only had one failure due to a drop, and it was a hard drop. The hardware and screens all still look brand new after about 8 months of 4 nights a week use.

That said, I have modified two of my 5805 mics recently (one was the one that was dropped). On one (the one I use most often) I put an Audix OM2 capsule in it, and the other, I put an EV Cobalt 9 capsule in. It is a nice improvement over the stock sound, but not one that most singers, or even most KJs notice.

All of this is opinion, and we all have our preferences and experiences. I find it interesting to read what people have to say, one way or the other, and there really isn't aright or wrong, here.


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I had the Vocopro 5800 and for what you pay for them they were pretty decent. I wouldn't go so far as to say they stack up against an SM58, e835 or similar, but they were definitely serviceable. Now their design is slightly different from the 5805's but the one thing I like about the Shure wireless over the Vocopros in terms of durability is that the weight distribution of the Shure's ensures that when they are dropped they hit windscreen first. Not sure if that's an intentional design feature or not but the bulk of the weight is up front. On the vocopros more often then not when dropped they'd hit antenna side first and the result was a cracked case. Additionally, with the shure's, that end of the mic is entirely the battery cover, so even if it does break, it's only the battery cover and not the whole case. So get a new cover from Shure and you're back in business, no reason to get a whole new mic.

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The 5805 is designed better, with an all metal tube, and weighted so that a fall means it lands on the windscreen. The only exposed plastic is at the bottom, where it docks in the charger.They area a better feeling microphone, all the way around. I am not sure if they use a different capsule than the 5800, but the heads look different. The 5805s feel better, all the way around.

I am pretty much a microphone ho. I have tried lots and lots of microphones, over many years.

The frequency response on the 5805 is smoother and flatter than an SM58. The "presence rise" that Shure touts in the SM58 bugs me, and happens to fall right in the range where most feedback starts.

I wouldn't put the SM58 in the same class as a Sennheiser E835, MAYBE the 825, in a stretch, or more like the 815. Just my opinion.

I have some high-end Telex cordless mics with condenser capsules, that sound REALLY nice, and clean. These aren't even in the same league as the other mics we have discussed in this thread. Give me a good condenser (like the Beta 87, etc.), any day over a dynamic, but not for drunks to abuse in a karaoke show.


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Meep70 @ Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:46 pm wrote:

I wouldn't put the SM58 in the same class as a Sennheiser E835, MAYBE the 825, in a stretch, or more like the 815. Just my opinion.



Not just your opinion, an e835 sounds much better, not even funny when compared side by side :wink: I got the e845 which is superior for the same price as the sm58 :shock:


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Micky @ Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:00 pm wrote:
Meep70 @ Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:46 pm wrote:

I wouldn't put the SM58 in the same class as a Sennheiser E835, MAYBE the 825, in a stretch, or more like the 815. Just my opinion.



Not just your opinion, an e835 sounds much better, not even funny when compared side by side :wink: I got the e845 which is superior for the same price as the sm58 :shock:


LMAO and hence begins the Ford vs Chevy discussion.

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Well guess what I own several EV and Senn mics my 835s are also in pristine condition after 5 years, the reason being is that they get very little use, while deffinately a good mic anyone that says it is more forgiving and doesn't feedback as much as an SM 58 has never used a 58 in a live enviroment. The EV mics for the most part I like for specific aplications and I put them in the same catagory as I do my Peavey mics tough and great for "again" specific applications.


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I have the same experience with our 58's and e835's. The simple fact is I've yet to see a Sennheiser 815, 825, 835, or 845 on any rider from any act. On the other hand SM57, SM58, Beta 57, and Beta 58 are all very common specs to see. Personally I do like the 835 as a fairly reliable and good quality dynamic mic. But given the choice, I'd go SM58 every time and most engineers I've worked with would say the same.

But again, this is very much a Ford versus Chevy type argument. Those on each side ended up their through their own experience with the products. Both have their own perception of the quality of each product and chose allegiance based on their experience either with that product or with other people who have provided opinions.

One thing I have noticed is that many people who pick a particular allegiance tend to have high levels of disdain for the nearest competitor (especially when that competitor's sales exceed that of their own chosen manufacturer). Look at all the piss on ford, piss on chevy stickers and the like out there. The same happens with Shure and Sennheiser zealots.

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Tony,

I agree with you to some extent on the issue of the chosen brand, but i can't base my judgements on that or be accused of it because I own and use many of these brands sans the vocopro!

I have taken a picture of the mics in my "putaway" Mic box these are mics that are not currently in use either in the studio, in a KJ, DJ system or a the live sound system. There is another box as well but I can't seem to finds it in my storage building without unpacking a bunch of stuff.

I have tried and tested many different cheap mics as well as midrange stuff for live events and nothing I have tried so far even comes close to comparing with the SM58 or Beta 58s.


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Good point, letitrip. I don't have ties to any particular brand. For me it is all about how a mic sounds, and how it holds up. It isn't all about price, brand, or whatever, it is about what works.

One of my favorite mics, as far as a wired handheld is a Nady SPC-25. It is one of the most rugged condensers you'll find, even tougher than many dynamic mics I have handled. It is clean, accurate, and neutral, with just enough of that condenser "warmth". Handling noise is VERY low, much like you get from the Sennheiser mics. It uses the same switch as the Sennheisers, the best I can tell--smooth and quiet. It sells for about $40, all day long. Look it up, and read the reviews.

The SM58 has its place, for sure, often depending on the style of music, and any other number of factors. I have a Digitech VX-400 vocal processor, that does mic modeling,as one of its features. The idea is that you choose what mic you want it to sound like you're using. If you send it a really neutral sounding signal, say from the SPC25 I use, the emulations are uncanny. Some of the options are Sennheiser 421MD (sounds a lot like an 855), SM58, and several classic mics you might find in studios, and elsewhere. Being able to stomp a pedal and listen to the various emulations, is interesting, enlightening, and fun.

Practicing with a band I used to be in, I found that I usually preferred a neutral sound (no emulation) with the Sennheiser emulation being a close second, but then there was one song that we did, that the SM58 just sounded more right. We usually rehearsed with headphones, eliminating the room acoustics and speakers and such, from the equation.

I digress, but the point is that it is all opinion, in the end. We all have different ears, different equipment that we run our mics through, with different settings, in different rooms. What sounds right to her, in her environment might be muddy and incoherent in mine, and what sounds right to him, in his environment might be uncomfortably shrill and piercing, to her.


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Bazza @ Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:08 pm wrote:
ripman8 @ Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:56 pm wrote:
My beta is used and has great sound however if anyone tries to sing foh, you hear this sound come out of the PAs like they are spitting thru their teeth. I've tried everything, took the mic to a repairman recommended to me by Guitar Center. I'll never go to him again, won't get on a tangent but part of the reason is I paid $75 for him to resolve this and tighten up a loose connection on my mixer. The mic still makes the spitting noise.


For $58 you can send your Beta back to Shure for a factory refurbishment, essentially getting a brand new one back in return. Much better than trusting some guitar center yahoo.

http://www.shure.com/americas/support/s ... /index.htm


Didn't see where it says that. Do I have to call an inquire?

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ripman8 @ Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:57 pm wrote:
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ripman8 @ Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:56 pm wrote:
My beta is used and has great sound however if anyone tries to sing foh, you hear this sound come out of the PAs like they are spitting thru their teeth. I've tried everything, took the mic to a repairman recommended to me by Guitar Center. I'll never go to him again, won't get on a tangent but part of the reason is I paid $75 for him to resolve this and tighten up a loose connection on my mixer. The mic still makes the spitting noise.


For $58 you can send your Beta back to Shure for a factory refurbishment, essentially getting a brand new one back in return. Much better than trusting some guitar center yahoo.

http://www.shure.com/americas/support/s ... /index.htm


Didn't see where it says that. Do I have to call an inquire?

There's a link for "Service Fee List" on the right.

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ripman8 @ Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:57 pm wrote:
Bazza @ Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:08 pm wrote:
ripman8 @ Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:56 pm wrote:
My beta is used and has great sound however if anyone tries to sing foh, you hear this sound come out of the PAs like they are spitting thru their teeth. I've tried everything, took the mic to a repairman recommended to me by Guitar Center. I'll never go to him again, won't get on a tangent but part of the reason is I paid $75 for him to resolve this and tighten up a loose connection on my mixer. The mic still makes the spitting noise.


For $58 you can send your Beta back to Shure for a factory refurbishment, essentially getting a brand new one back in return. Much better than trusting some guitar center yahoo.

http://www.shure.com/americas/support/s ... /index.htm


Didn't see where it says that. Do I have to call an inquire?

You do have to fill out a return form along with your return.
http://www.shure.com/idc/groups/primary ... irform.pdf
And the price for for the replacements are
http://www.shure.com/idc/groups/primary ... e_fees.pdf

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letitrip @ Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:01 pm wrote:
I have the same experience with our 58's and e835's. The simple fact is I've yet to see a Sennheiser 815, 825, 835, or 845 on any rider from any act. On the other hand SM57, SM58, Beta 57, and Beta 58 are all very common specs to see. Personally I do like the 835 as a fairly reliable and good quality dynamic mic. But given the choice, I'd go SM58 every time and most engineers I've worked with would say the same.

But again, this is very much a Ford versus Chevy type argument. Those on each side ended up their through their own experience with the products. Both have their own perception of the quality of each product and chose allegiance based on their experience either with that product or with other people who have provided opinions.

One thing I have noticed is that many people who pick a particular allegiance tend to have high levels of disdain for the nearest competitor (especially when that competitor's sales exceed that of their own chosen manufacturer). Look at all the tinkle on ford, tinkle on chevy stickers and the like out there. The same happens with Shure and Sennheiser zealots.


I've never seen a Shure tinkling on a Sennheiser card. I do have a Brett Favre tinkling on GB, look how that worked out?

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