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Do you know how many "good" hosts were forced out of business or forced to lower their prices because of piracy? Bar owners are cheap and don't usually care about "quality" entertainment. All they care about is saving a buck. Otherwise, the market would be flooded with legal KJ's and not the other way around. You know nothing of what you speak.

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Electro-Voice Evolve 50... Taking Sound To The Next Level.

Baloney! Some very good hosts could easily be affected. A buck is a buck to owners. If they buy into this cloud, it puts the good hosts out of business. I don't care how good you are, you can be affected by this. Doesn't mean the owner is going to have a successful venture trying this, but they will try.

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KingBing Entertainment C'mon Up! I have a song for you!!! [font=MS Sans Serif][/font]

This is why NO KJ should buy into the Cloud at any price. Even if they offered a subscription of only $9.99 per month, you are only helping to put yourself and all legal KJ's out of a job. Everyone needs to see the big picture. It's not about how cheap the subscription is, it's about how this can hurt us all. And if you think it can't, think again. If you value your job as a KJ, it's a no-brainer. So, Please:

Do Not Support The Karaoke Cloud

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Electro-Voice Evolve 50... Taking Sound To The Next Level.

Exactly. Bravo.

The poll results prove that campaigning against the "Cloud" is a waste of time...but then again, apparently anyone who is more than a casual visitor here is not opposed to wasting their time...

I don't consider myself compaigning against the cloud but I would say the poll results proves nothing of the kind and if anything may prove just the opposite.

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KingBing Entertainment C'mon Up! I have a song for you!!! [font=MS Sans Serif][/font]

This assumes that most of the people on the forum aren't established KJs who already have established libraries, and therefore established opinions on radically different methods, which is highly unlikely...

Whether you are established or not, paying $1200 a year with nothing to show for it is crazy. That $1200 can buy a lot of music which you would own forever and not have to continue to "rent".

And like any business, there are business expenses. And then there is the capitol needed to buy what you need to run that business. If you can't afford to buy your music, which is the most essential part of this business, then you shouldn't be getting into it.

Most of us, own our music. It may have taken a while to build up our library's but we did it. Too many wanna-be KJ's want to just jump right in that have no business sense whatsoever.

And of course, let's not forget how supporting the Cloud can only help to put yourself out of a job.

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Electro-Voice Evolve 50... Taking Sound To The Next Level.

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Electro-Voice Evolve 50... Taking Sound To The Next Level.

But then again most businesses lease their premises, vehicles, equipment, etc. Leasing is not bad. It's like anything else, it depends on you want to do and the plus and minuses. What may be a plus to you may be a minus to someone else and vice versa. The one plus to lease is if the business goes into the crapper you are not stuck with equipment that you either have to try and sell or junk it. Also it's easier to start up a business by leasing than buying. On the negative side you are not building up assets. But then there are those who start by leasing and work up to buying.

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You can be strange but not a stranger

Yes it is the perfect way to flood the market with new KJs who can legally enter the business and be competitive right away, charging less than the existing rate. It is the best thing ever!

One valid purpose brought up by DT themselves is that it would make it simpler for an established company to start multi-rigging this way...

Tiny samples, on niche websites, with limited, broad brush poll choices written to skew, aren't proof of anything except the authors bias.

It would be like going to a NRA forum and asking "Should guns be banned", then, when the overwhelming majority say "NO!", claiming that this is proof all Americans are against banning military assault weapons.

On the contrare. "The poll results prove that campaigning against the "Cloud" is a waste of time" would lead me to believe that the poll would suggest the majority embracing the concept when in fact it is just the opposite. I didn't state it proved anything, I used the term "if anything". Now I'm not sure what I'm talking about, this whole thing has got me twisted "Thinking about the way that things use to be
When It was you and me girl I was so free"

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KingBing Entertainment C'mon Up! I have a song for you!!! [font=MS Sans Serif][/font]

Isn't it a beautiful thing?

Once again people, wake up and look at the big picture. Now we have to compete with new KJ's flooding the market and charging much less then the existing rate (thanks to the Cloud), or venues who subscribe to the service no longer needing the use of professional KJ's (thanks to the Cloud)

The Cloud is not your friend. It will only cause KJ's to have to cut their prices even lower or go out of business. Can't you all get it??

This will only hurt you, not help you.

For strictly home use, fine. For the professional, now way!

You people need to see what's really going on here. Most of you get it. Other's are as blind as a bat.

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Electro-Voice Evolve 50... Taking Sound To The Next Level.

You just don't get it do you?? You'll never get just how damaging the Cloud can be to all of us. But, even in your insanity, I wish you well!

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Electro-Voice Evolve 50... Taking Sound To The Next Level.

It is a fact of ALL businesses that change is good for some and not for others. The disc-based host is a dying breed--simple as that. The manus recognize that, and are trying to adapt. Are some of their methods scrupulous? That fact is undeniable, before production, during production, post production AND out of production. But, so goes the business world. Anyone who believes a viable business without "rule-bending" exists is somewhat naive. A change of consciousness seems to be occurring, but the "live by the sword, die by the sword" axiom may be en vogue as time progresses...

Whatever.

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Electro-Voice Evolve 50... Taking Sound To The Next Level.

How many agree that a response of "whatever" is a sign of submission on a given point?!?!?

Being neutral - Not necessarily mean submission. It could also mean he doesn't want to discuss it any further, a moot point that the consequence would only drive both of you into this sort of thing:

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