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Jian
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:03 pm |
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Another good Behringer product is the ECM8000; works great for drum overhead.
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mckyj57
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:08 pm |
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Joined: Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:24 pm Posts: 5576 Location: Cocoa Beach Been Liked: 122 times
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Jian @ Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:03 am wrote: Another good Behringer product is the ECM8000; works great for drum overhead.
I have that one and use it as the input mic for my DriveRack PA auto-eq.
Along with their C2 condenser mics -- I have a matched pair. I use them to to mic piano in live sound. Those get some surprising love from live sound pros, who usually automatically diss anything Behringer.
_________________ [color=#ffff55]Mickey J.[/color] Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them. -- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.
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jreynolds
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:50 pm |
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Mckyj57, your previous post was very fair, i'll give ya that. I had no idea you used a $20 mic but wouldn't care if ya did, as long as i could hear myself sing on your system if i attended your show. I don't take my singing too seriously or have dilusions i'll be fronting U2 soon.
I agree that using a really cheap mic on an expensive system would be kinda silly, but would understand if money and many replacements were an issue. I try not to judge for fear of being judged,,,and CAN be judged for a few sound things not sooo "sound" with my system. That's why i appreciate folks here to help me improve it, as a few, including yourself, have with great equipment suggestions.
The vocopros i use are pretty decent. I was very biased as well against everything vocopro before and considered it for"home use only" but was surprised at the mics i got. I heard them at another show, they sounded pretty good and MORE importantly i have groups of singers regularly approaching my stage-(aka visiting tourists from around the world) so the original PRIMARY reason for buying them was because of the 4 mic package. It only costs $450 for the 4 mics.
The vocopros do the job, sound good, but DO distort at high levels, but I DO like the fact that i have ALL 4 mics on one channel, making it easier to control...the screaming.
For solo acts the Shure 58 is available, and for duets, one of each...but as stated earlier, people seem to like those VP wireless mics and never complain about their voices sounding bad.
Btw, I ALWAYS mix every singer individually for every song and try to make them sound as good as possible, even with the $100 mics.
Question: if you went to a karaoke show, heard a few songs and they sounded okay, THEN approached the stage for your song and realized that it was a, god forbid, Nady Mic...would you leave because of the personal embarassment of it, or go along and sing on it?
Aloha J.R.
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mckyj57
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:15 pm |
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jreynolds @ Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:50 am wrote: Mckyj57, your previous post was very fair, i'll give ya that. I had no idea you used a $20 mic but wouldn't care if ya did, as long as i could hear myself sing on your system if i attended your show. I don't take my singing too seriously or have dilusions i'll be fronting U2 soon. We use them for the DJ mic and a third mic for group sings. And they sound darn good despite being dropped a number of times. If we do start having one drop out, we will toss it immediately. But haven't lost a one. Quote: I agree that using a really cheap mic on an expensive system would be kinda silly, but would understand if money and many replacements were an issue. That's what's crazy. An SM58 is proven to be, long term, nearly indestructible. You can make it look new by putting on a new $5.00 ball. If I thought the Behringer mic would be as economical long term, it would be tempting to use it up front. But there is another reason for using the SM58 -- comfort. No one is going to claim the SM58 is state of the art, but everybody recognizes it. Even the pro singers or live sound guys who diss it automatically -- equipment snobs! They may not like it much, but they will feel comfortable singing into it because they have many, many times before. And singers that feel comfortable sing better. It is just one little part of the confidence building exercise that hosting is, but it helps. I put two mics up on stands in some shows. A Sennheiser 935 and an SM58. 95% of people head straight for the Shure. Quote: I try not to judge for fear of being judged,,,and CAN be judged for a few sound things not sooo "sound" with my system. That's why i appreciate folks here to help me improve it, as a few, including yourself, have with great equipment suggestions. I don't mind being judged, which is apparently why I stick my neck out more often. I have made a number of missteps on this forum, of course. I try to admit it when I think I don't know something, and defer to greater knowledge. The way you learn is by making mistakes, so I try to make plenty of them. Quote: The vocopros i use are pretty decent. I was very biased as well against everything vocopro before and considered it for"home use only" but was surprised at the mics i got. I heard them at another show, they sounded pretty good and MORE importantly i have groups of singers regularly approaching my stage-(aka visiting tourists from around the world) so the original PRIMARY reason for buying them was because of the 4 mic package. It only costs $450 for the 4 mics.
The vocopros do the job, sound good, but DO distort at high levels, but I DO like the fact that i have ALL 4 mics on one channel, making it easier to control...the screaming.
I hope they keep working for you. I sing regularly into them, as my favorite karaoke place uses them. But I don't like them -- they get worse and worse as they are dropped. Quote: For solo acts the Shure 58 is available, and for duets, one of each...but as stated earlier, people seem to like those VP wireless mics and never complain about their voices sounding bad.
As I said, I do think they sound decent when new. Quote: Btw, I ALWAYS mix every singer individually for every song and try to make them sound as good as possible, even with the $100 mics. Question: if you went to a karaoke show, heard a few songs and they sounded okay, THEN approached the stage for your song and realized that it was a, god forbid, Nady Mic...would you leave because of the personal embarassment of it, or go along and sing on it? Aloha J.R.
I rarely see Nady mics as not many hosts put them out. I am sure I would know it was a Nady mic from the handling noise, straight off. And no, when I did run across them I didn't leave until *after* I sang.
Again, I am sure that the mic can sound good when new. That is, if it is in a stand, and you don't have to hold it in your hand.
_________________ [color=#ffff55]Mickey J.[/color] Alas for those who never sing, but die with all their music in them. -- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.
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ericlater
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:17 pm |
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JR
Your remarks regarding Vocopro wireless mics may be the perfect example of "what goes around comes around"? Did I actually say that?
Throughout this thread, there have been comments about the acceptable sound quality of Vocopros cordless mics. And Vocopro mics get mentioned elsewhere on the forum with some regularity. My partner, furthermore, is getting the 4-mic Vocopro unit!
Now as to my point about "going and coming". Several years back when I first encountered the Vocopros at two different local shows, my positive remarks about them on this forum resulted in the Audio Militia swooping down and condemning the product and me for enjoying them. I thought they sounded fine, but the militia informed me of how wrong I was!
I guess that over the last two years more people have actually heard the Vocopros in action? You think that may be the reason for the more accepting response today to that equipment than when I first mentioned them years back?
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jreynolds
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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:29 am |
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Eric,
I don't really know the answer to that question. All i can speculate is either they are, as you mentioned, more widely used or dispersed now, or maybe the quality of the mics has gone way up...??
I understand the "militia" part of your post. I still get ribbed occasionally because of my use of cavs Jb-199. A few boneheads still have it their head that the newer 199's still have scrolling/syncing problems.....tsk tsk.... NOT SO!
I wouldn't "knock something" unless i tried it out for myself personally, NOT because i heard it from Susie's cousins' uncles' grandmothers' neighbor that it was crappola!
..And if i heard someone else say they didn't have problems with the things i did, then perhaps I was doing something wrong.....
Oh well brah...da da da da life goes on.... J.R.
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stogie
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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:25 am |
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Joined: Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:39 am Posts: 1238 Location: Tampa Bay Area Been Liked: 15 times
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Interesting. I have the Behringer XM1800S super cardiod mic and it's ok, but I like the Nady SP-1 better. The only thing I could complain about with the Nady is the handling noise. Other than that the sound quality is good. I don't recall using the Behringer 8500 and in fact I thought that's what I had before I looked at it just now.
I've used the dual handset VHF Vocopro wireless and the 4 mic Vocopro and both are VERY good. They are solidly built and have good sound quality. Not a darn thing wrong with them. The dual handset Vocopro is about $89 and worth the price IMO. Not a darn thing wrong with VHF mics in the higher frequencies. Lower frequency VHF are more prone to picking up extraneous transmissions.
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Alex
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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:34 am |
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Joined: Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:40 am Posts: 1094 Songs: 1 Location: West Palm Beach, FL Been Liked: 53 times
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stogie @ Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:36 pm wrote: When I first started singing around 3 years ago I didn't really know anything about audio equipment and nothing about microphones. I had no idea that there were so many different kinds and types of microphones.
In the past year or so since I decided to sing professionally I started learning about audio equipment, but just recently started paying attention to microphones. I've read a lot here and other places on the internet about Shure, Sennheiser, AKG, Audix etc., but nothing compares to using different microphones.
I've used Sennheiser, Audio Technica, Gemini, Vocopro, Nady, Samson and some cheapo wireless mics and various wired mics when visiting various Karaoke shows. Recently I had the chance to try a Shure Beta58 wired and it was very good, much better IMO than the venerable SM58s I've used.
I used a Samson wireless a few nights ago that had the Q7 element and it was excellent, I was very surprised. After that I'm going to buy one for sure. That will become my most used mic. If I could afford a Shure Beta 87 wireless I doubt I would use any other microphone.
I got a big surprise Saturday afternoon. I was practicing some of my songs and decided to pull out a wired Nady SP-1 mic that I got for free when I bought a mic stand from Musician's Friend about a year ago. They had a package deal with a tripod boom stand, a mic cable and the Nady SP-1 for like $20 or $25. I have never really used the Nady thinking it was probably junk. I usually use a Sennheiser E816S which is a very good, entry level mic. I was shocked to discover that I really liked the sound of my voice with the Nady. That thing is like an $8 mic!
I'm extremely pleased with my Nady DKW Duo wireless mics. They were one of my first purchases and I got lucky, they could have been junk. They would be great for wireless drunk mics at $40 for the pair. I use them all the time and have had zero problems with them. They aren't the most sensitive mics, but for most people they are just fine.
Anyhow, your mileage and experience may be much different than mine.
Hey stogie,
I used to utilize a Wireless Beta 87 before my recent incident. If you're interested, at Northern Sound and Light you can grab it brand new and with warranty for $538.39
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stogie
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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:16 pm |
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Sevarin, I have no doubts that eventually that's the mic I will be using 99% of the time. Right now I can't spend that much on a microphone. I need to use what I have right now. I'll be getting a new mixer and amp soon and then hopefully sometime next year I'll get the wireless Beta 87. Good things are happening and I should be doing a lot of gigs and making some good money soon. I'm beginning to ramp up my marketing efforts and things look very promising.
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JD
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:38 pm |
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The thing about mics are that the frequency (pitch) and the direction it comes from to the mic will vary in loudness. Everyone's voice is different so you're probably are hitting the sweetspots with your voice. Tally ho, a nice match.
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