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Okay Bruce, If you insist... but this is the last one:


I would prefer an NFL stadium FILLED TO CAPACITY with "casual singers" over 3 of your "serious singers" any day... Because the casual singers would be "whoopin' it up" with the really bad singing and beer drinking.... the 3 "serious singers" would all be bitching about the sound and rotation while they sipped on the 2 pops and 1 water between them.

Always with the generalizations Chipper. The average NFL stadium holds over 60,000 people but in your perfect karaoke world, yolu don't even have room for 3 DIVAS in a crowd of 60,000 plus. You make this so easy.



Okay Doody Head, if you insist.... But Bruce you ARE a diva... just look in the mirror already! You have no problem telling the world that you're at home "trying to learn some new song" before you debut them on your waiting throngs right? Wasn't that you that posted that you were doing that???? Why would you want to ruin the surprise and not just spring it on your crowds and dazzle them to death? Get a pin and pop your snobby little head..... quickly.

So anyone who enjoys learning new songs is a DIVA???? How many songs should someone know before they stop learning any new ones??? Please tell me oh great Karaoke god!!! I never mentioned anything about me having a waiting throng. My audience is whoever happens to be at the bar where I go on that particular evening. Again, you display your disdain for people who want to sing well when they go out to sing. I know people that can't carry a tune in a bucket but they still buy their own karaoke CD's and practice at home. I guess they're DIVAS in your eyes as well???



(1) You Bet.
(2) Depends on who you consider the "people that keep you employed" are.
If you're a "serious singer," you'll say it's "the singers like me of course."
If you're a KJ, you'll most probably say it's "it's the club" or the "patrons that come in to have fun and spend money."

Try keeping a karaoke show going without singers. Without singers, be they good bad or mediocre, you are out of a job very quickly.



I, I, I, I, I... it's still all about YOU isn't it?
Do you realize that you used the word "I" SIX TIMES in one sentence?

When a person gives his OWN opinion, the word I will be used often....and the word I was only in that sentence 4 times.

Let me correct you: You have the right (and legal duty) to pay your tab and leave. Those are your "rights." You have the "right" to take your business elsewhere and not be singled out (because you're so good) by the KJ and mistreated by having your mic turned down. I don't believe that ANY of the karoake venues you frequent has a "karaoke bill of rights."

If the show is being run by a KJ who knows how to do his job, everyone is entitled to their turn at the mic unless they are doing something that would cause the management to 86 them from the bar or the rotation. Any singer who hands in a song slip should be able to sing a song of THEIR choice when their turn comes up. It doesn't matter if it's me or anyone else.



This is where you're wrong... I'm NOT there to PLEASE ONLY YOU... I'm there to please EVERYONE and NOT individually. If I'm in ballad hell, I'll ask you to change your song to an upbeat one. Of course you don't have to change your song 'cause that's the one you've been practicing in your living room..... but then again, don't be surprised if I delay your song. I won't subject the other 99 persons in the house to 10 ballads in a row no matter how well you perform it.

I never said that you are there to please ONLY ME. You are there to please EVERY PERSON THERE and I am one of those people. A lot of KJ's talk of this Ballad Hell. I've never experienced it personally. I think it is something that SOME KJ's make up so they can squeeze in one of their friends out of turn. "I'm gonna bring up Julie to liven things up a bit, even though she just sang 4 songs ago"....but hey! It's my show and if you don't like it, pay your tab and leave". Persons?????? First of all, it's PEOPLE and second of all, 9 ballads in a row is fine with you but it's that 10th one that drives you crazy because that is the one being sung by a "serious singer" right?

God, I WISH I COULD! (most of your songs probably wouldn't be in there though) It would be heaven wouldn't it? No more "crazy", "love shack", "can't help fallin' in love", "boheimian rhapsody", "cheaper to keep her", "ten with a two", etc....

I'm sure that I could find enough songs to sing in any song book that you would put together if you didn't have the ability or desire to play a customer's discs.



Oops.

And now we wheel out the disdain about "you aren't a real pro". I happen to know that real pros don't often say that type of thing. Hmm....

How did I know what? I never read his posts. I just know that most singers don't ask to be turned up unless they can't hear themselves.

Do you do other no-nos like putting non-sub speakers on the floor with the horn pointed at people's knees? I am sure not -- only the rankest kind of amateur does stuff like that.

Don't *necessarily* need? Are you saying that all your singers are drunks and that it doesn't matter they can't hear themself?

Drunk? Your "serious singers" drink? You obviously disdain every type of singer.

Or they want to hear themselves and don't have your extremely advanced concept of sound engineering which expects them to hear themselves in the mains no matter the mix?

Sorry. My job is to keep the ENTIRE club happy, not just a single singer for about 4 minutes at the expense of everyone else.

What expense? Explain to me what they are going through?

Some people have 15 years of experience, some have one year of experience 15 times over.

A lot of AI singers got themselves started in karaoke. And quite a few have gone on to the serious music business. I will leave it to everyone else to decide whether that connects or not.

Can you tell me which of these songs wants the bass turned up?

A. Folsom Prison Blues
B. You'll Never Find

A. Kiss An Angel Good Morning
B. Your Man

A. Set 'em Up Joe
B. Your Man

Someone who knows what they are doing will get it right every time.

I'm not a name dropper. If you don't know that musicians like to play, then you aren't a pro. Period.

You'll worry everyone else with your sound, it seems. And you'll continue telling people they take YOUR serious business too seriously.

I'm done. I believe you have shown your true colors, and will let everyone else decide from here.

I feel bad for the "serious singers" that are stuck living in your area and subjected to your obvious prejudices against them. You make derogatory assumptions about ALL SERIOUS SINGERS and then you get all defensive when someone calls you on it.

Always with the generalizations Chipper. The average NFL stadium holds over 60,000 people but in your perfect karaoke world, yolu don't even have room for 3 DIVAS in a crowd of 60,000 plus.

So anyone who enjoys learning new songs is a DIVA???? How many songs should someone know before they stop learning any new ones??? Please tell me oh great Karaoke god!!! I never mentioned anything about me having a waiting throng. My audience is whoever happens to be at the bar where I go on that particular evening. Again, you display your disdain for people who want to sing well when they go out to sing.

I know people that can't carry a tune in a bucket but they still buy their own karaoke CD's and practice at home. I guess they're DIVAS in your eyes as well???

Try keeping a karaoke show going without singers. Without singers, be they good bad or mediocre, you are out of a job very quickly

If the show is being run by a KJ who knows how to do his job, everyone is entitled to their turn at the mic unless they are doing something that would cause the management to 86 them from the bar or the rotation. Any singer who hands in a song slip should be able to sing a song of THEIR choice when their turn comes up. It doesn't matter if it's me or anyone else.

I never said that you are there to please ONLY ME. You are there to please EVERY PERSON THERE and I am one of those people. A lot of KJ's talk of this Ballad Hell. I've never experienced it personally. I think it is something that SOME KJ's make up so they can squeeze in one of their friends out of turn. "I'm gonna bring up Julie to liven things up a bit, even though she just sang 4 songs ago"....but hey! It's my show and if you don't like it, pay your tab and leave". Persons?????? First of all, it's PEOPLE and second of all, 9 ballads in a row is fine with you but it's that 10th one that drives you crazy because that is the one being sung by a "serious singer" right?

I'm sure that I could find enough songs to sing in any song book that you would put together if you didn't have the ability or desire to play a customer's discs.

Some have outstanding equipment. And that makes a lot of the old-line hosts a bit uncomfortable, as well as understandably making them feel a bit threatened. Singers know more than they used to, and will complain if they can't hear. They are discriminating about sound. A "karaoke mixing amplifier" and a pair of DJ speakers doesn't make for a top-of-the-line show any more. It isn't even up to snuff.

and it's not for you to decide what style of music people should be singing in a sports bar

Guess again boy genius. If I'm stuck in "ballad hell" because a bunch of "quality singers" (such as yourself) want to belt out every sad, love-lost, divorce-ridden, operatic death-dirge on the planet, you can BET I'm gonna do something about it.

You are under the MISCONCEPTION and sadly mistaken if you think that I'm there simply to please YOU... what YOU want, when YOU want it, how loud YOU want to hear it, which song YOU want in the order YOU want them....

I am lost Danny.... I thought that Lazer WAS expressing just the opposite sentiments as you just stated?

Correct me if I am wrong but how I read this is that you as the host feel that if there are several ballads in a row and you feel the crowd just isn't feeling it that it is your right to change up the rotation?

I would think common courtesy for your patrons, to sing in the order they have been during the previous rotation, unless you normally announce or have that written somewhere at the beginning of each gig stating: "You will sing in a normal rotation that you are accustomed to unless I feel otherwise." Just for clarification I say your patrons and not the bars because they are the ones paying you ultimately.

Maybe your place is different but every place I have never seen a host change a rotation simply for the fact that they didn't like that they were in ballad hell.

No amount of "Ballad Hell" is going to change my rotation. I might at the end of the rotation take a little time(Three songs) to interject some lively dance music into the fray but it does not and will not adjust the people that a singer is following.

I would think common courtesy for your patrons, to sing in the order they have been during the previous rotation, unless you normally announce or have that written somewhere at the beginning of each gig stating: "You will sing in a normal rotation that you are accustomed to unless I feel otherwise." Just for clarification I say your patrons and not the bars because they are the ones paying you ultimately.

Maybe your place is different but every place I have never seen a host change a rotation simply for the fact that they didn't like that they were in ballad hell.

No amount of "Ballad Hell" is going to change my rotation. I might at the end of the rotation take a little time(Three songs) to interject some lively dance music into the fray but it does not and will not adjust the people that a singer is following.

I understand your point, but that's kind of a generalization about the more seasoned hosts.

Grown up adult arguing like 12 year old kids; this is what this thread become.

yeh?.....and what are you going to do about, pooh pooh head?......