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Author:  Terryoke [ Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:51 am ]
Post subject:  Media conversion of Laser Discs
Hello fellow singers and techies,

I have about 55 Pioneer LDs and I am trying to figure out a reasonable way to convert these to either CDGs or on to my laptop.   :giveup: The most painful way is to connect my LD player to my laptop and babysit a video capture software for several days straight. :grumble: There is a data port on the back of the player for a 23 pin D shell cable but I don't even know if there is any compatability with current computer technology. :dontknow:


Any ideas or has anyone done this before? :headscratch:   I saw one guy selling DVDs on eBay who had done this.  

Thanks in advance
Author:  Lonman [ Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Media conversion of Laser Discs
Terryoke @ Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:51 am wrote:
Hello fellow singers and techies,

I have about 55 Pioneer LDs and I am trying to figure out a reasonable way to convert these to either CDGs or on to my laptop.   :giveup: The most painful way is to connect my LD player to my laptop and babysit a video capture software for several days straight. :grumble: There is a data port on the back of the player for a 23 pin D shell cable but I don't even know if there is any compatability with current computer technology. :dontknow:


Any ideas or has anyone done this before? :headscratch:   I saw one guy selling DVDs on eBay who had done this.  

Thanks in advance


In the same boat as far as converting, have a comfortable chair  :wave:
Author:  Jian [ Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Media conversion of Laser Discs
Matt had done it with his collection, if I recall correctly.
Author:  knightshow [ Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Media conversion of Laser Discs
I did three full laserdiscs. But I ran into someone that had them all ripped. I then only had to rip the ones that weren't done, or ones that were done incorrectly!


And yes, the only way to do it is to sit there real time and record them like a VCR. What makes this tedious is the songs are only 3-5 mins long, so you have to sit there, manually start the recorder, press the play button on the player, stop the player, stop the recording software, and then label it.  Took about ten mins per 3 min track!
Author:  Donny B [ Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Media conversion of Laser Discs
:wave:
If I remember correctly, you can only convert the laser discs to either VCD or DVD. I haven't heard of anyone converting them to CD+G, BUT...I may be mistaken. Just thought I'd throw that out there because it wasn't actually addressed.

                                 Donny "B"   8)
Author:  powerkaraoke [ Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Media conversion of Laser Discs
Agreed, converting laser disc to CD+G is not possible.
Author:  mckyj57 [ Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Media conversion of Laser Discs
Donny B @ Sat Feb 09, 2008 2:05 pm wrote:
:wave:
If I remember correctly, you can only convert the laser discs to either VCD or DVD. I haven't heard of anyone converting them to CD+G, BUT...I may be mistaken. Just thought I'd throw that out there because it wasn't actually addressed.

You could convert them to CDG -- by using Karaoke Home Producer or the like to edit and sync the words yourself. There is no automatic transfer.

I have seen them turned into AVI or MPG files for simply playing like a video. I don't know what that does to sound quality, but I presume it shouldn't be too bad.
Author:  Jian [ Sat Feb 09, 2008 10:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Media conversion of Laser Discs
mckyj57 @ 10th February 2008, 1:10 pm wrote:
Donny B @ Sat Feb 09, 2008 2:05 pm wrote:
:wave:
If I remember correctly, you can only convert the laser discs to either VCD or DVD. I haven't heard of anyone converting them to CD+G, BUT...I may be mistaken. Just thought I'd throw that out there because it wasn't actually addressed.


You could convert them to CDG -- by using Karaoke Home Producer or the like to edit and sync the words yourself. There is no automatic transfer.

I have seen them turned into AVI or MPG files for simply playing like a video. I don't know what that does to sound quality, but I presume it shouldn't be too bad.


No way  :no:
Author:  mckyj57 [ Sat Feb 09, 2008 10:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Media conversion of Laser Discs
Jian @ Sun Feb 10, 2008 1:33 am wrote:
mckyj57 @ 10th February 2008, 1:10 pm wrote:
Donny B @ Sat Feb 09, 2008 2:05 pm wrote:
:wave:
If I remember correctly, you can only convert the laser discs to either VCD or DVD. I haven't heard of anyone converting them to CD+G, BUT...I may be mistaken. Just thought I'd throw that out there because it wasn't actually addressed.


You could convert them to CDG -- by using Karaoke Home Producer or the like to edit and sync the words yourself. There is no automatic transfer.

I have seen them turned into AVI or MPG files for simply playing like a video. I don't know what that does to sound quality, but I presume it shouldn't be too bad.


No way  :no:

No way what? I agree there is no way someone would want to make a custom karaoke track to the musical backing of the lasers, but it can be done. You lose the video, of course, and just get the audio.
Author:  Jian [ Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Media conversion of Laser Discs
mckyj57 @ 10th February 2008, 2:36 pm wrote:
Jian @ Sun Feb 10, 2008 1:33 am wrote:
mckyj57 @ 10th February 2008, 1:10 pm wrote:
Donny B @ Sat Feb 09, 2008 2:05 pm wrote:
:wave:
If I remember correctly, you can only convert the laser discs to either VCD or DVD. I haven't heard of anyone converting them to CD+G, BUT...I may be mistaken. Just thought I'd throw that out there because it wasn't actually addressed.


You could convert them to CDG -- by using Karaoke Home Producer or the like to edit and sync the words yourself. There is no automatic transfer.

I have seen them turned into AVI or MPG files for simply playing like a video. I don't know what that does to sound quality, but I presume it shouldn't be too bad.


No way  :no:

No way what? I agree there is no way someone would want to make a custom karaoke track to the musical backing of the lasers, but it can be done. You lose the video, of course, and just get the audio.


That is an option. :yes:
Author:  Donny B [ Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Media conversion of Laser Discs
:wave:
C'mon people. The original question was if the Pioneer laser disc, I'm assuming in it's entirety, can be converted to cd+g. In that format, again, it can only be done via VCD or DVD. Now if you know of a DIRECT conversion from laser to cdg, it would be nice to share. BUT, I've never heard of that happening....yet.

                            Donny "B"    8)
Author:  mckyj57 [ Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:39 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Media conversion of Laser Discs
Donny B @ Sun Feb 10, 2008 12:20 pm wrote:
:wave:
C'mon people. The original question was if the Pioneer laser disc, I'm assuming in it's entirety, can be converted to cd+g. In that format, again, it can only be done via VCD or DVD.

Simply not true. You can record the video to any format, and a disk need not be involved.

Quote:
Now if you know of a DIRECT conversion from laser to cdg, it would be nice to share. BUT, I've never heard of that happening....yet.

Nor will you ever, because it is technically nearly impossible. If it were within the slimmest realm, it would certainly never be done because of the effort.
Author:  Karen K [ Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:45 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Media conversion of Laser Discs
There is a local pirate who DID convert ALL of his Pioneer LDs to computer format. Don't know how...not a technie myself...but he said it took a long time. He goes by the name BBG - maybe you can google the name (maybe in Mount Vernon Washington?)  - or maybe "La Hacienda BBG karaoke" or something like that, and ask him how he did it.
K
Author:  sidewinder [ Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Media conversion of Laser Discs
They can be converted to play with Sax & Dottys just like the cd+gs, with the right hardware and several different programs.
Author:  Donny B [ Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:45 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Media conversion of Laser Discs
:wave:
I went into my "archives" and according to a guy I was in contact with last year, when I was going to convert my lasers to either vcd or dvd, he mentioned that each track when captured/loaded to the harddrive would take up to 1GB of space. So..if one wanted to load them into a computer, I'm guessing one would need an external drive of at least 500 to 750 GB's to allow for lasers, cd+g, as well as regular DJ music if one wanted to encompass the whole picture. So, each laser disc has 28 songs, 28 GB per disc, times say...57..the number of the original pioneers...would be ....1,596...."Think we're gonna need a bigger boat"!!. Or, you pick and choose which songs you want, which saves space. Realistically, I still contend that the person who initially posted this was trying to find a way to convert pioneer laserdiscs, [highlight=deepskyblue]IN THEIR ENTIRETY[/highlight], to cd+g. AND to that I STILL say, regardless of what mckyj57 says, IT CAN'T BE DONE.  :roll:
Terryoke, try the following link, http://www.thekteam.co.uk When you get on the site...go to "contact", send a message to "Steve", and explain, IN DETAIL, what you want to do. Actually, he'll also tell you that you can't tranfer the lasers to cd+g, BUT, he CAN tell you how to do it to either vcd, dvd, and probably how to "load up" your computer, and suggest which programs would work the best. All that, without going through the "he says you can, I say you can't" bull. With that, I wish you luck and good fortune in your endeavor :handshake: .

                      Donny "B"     8)

btw: Hey mckyj57,  :headscratch:.. were you and sideWHINER seperated at birth??!!  :jk:
Author:  sidewinder [ Mon Feb 11, 2008 1:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Media conversion of Laser Discs
First of all a CD+G is totally different in the way the media is done.  Laser is a video, graphics and music.  CD+G is graphics and music which isn't excatly a video file.  I'm no comptech and i don't know how to explain it.    But how do you think you can change a video into a graphic file and it will automatically become a CD+G?   You can transplant a pig nose onto a chicken, but it still won't oink.    A laser disc is one format.  A CD+G is another format.   DVD is different and so is VCD and Video Disc.


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Convert a range of video file formats

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Author:  Donny B [ Mon Feb 11, 2008 1:10 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Media conversion of Laser Discs
:wave:
Hey Terryoke, one more thing I forgot to mention. To hook up your Laser Disc Player to your lap top, try looking into "Dazzle". I'm pretty sure they may have the "connection" you're looking for, along with either Studio 9 or Nero for capturing software. Just a thought, but the link I gave in the previous post should take you to the answers to ALL your questions.  :handshake:

                              Donny "B"     8)
Author:  knightshow [ Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:48 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Media conversion of Laser Discs
Donny B @ Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:45 am wrote:
:wave:
I went into my "archives" and according to a guy I was in contact with last year, when I was going to convert my lasers to either vcd or dvd, he mentioned that each track when captured/loaded to the harddrive would take up to 1GB of space. So..if one wanted to load them into a computer, I'm guessing one would need an external drive of at least 500 to 750 GB's to allow for lasers, cd+g, as well as regular DJ music if one wanted to encompass the whole picture. So, each laser disc has 28 songs, 28 GB per disc, times say...57..the number of the original pioneers...would be ....1,596...."Think we're gonna need a bigger boat"!!. Or, you pick and choose which songs you want, which saves space. Realistically, I still contend that the person who initially posted this was trying to find a way to convert pioneer laserdiscs, [highlight=deepskyblue]IN THEIR ENTIRETY[/highlight], to cd+g. AND to that I STILL say, regardless of what mckyj57 says, IT CAN'T BE DONE.  :roll:
First of all, not every song would be 1GB. Many of the 3 minute songs came up to be 60MB, and songs like "Silent Lucidity" were 110MB. I used a converter to do a compression, similar to the wav to .mp3g. I experimented with the settings, and for the most part, decided on no more than 35% on average. The video sometimes is noticably changed.
Author:  Donny B [ Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Media conversion of Laser Discs
:wave:
Hey knightshow. Long time my friend. Yeah you're right. I should have said "could'
be, not "would" be. Still, if he wants to go that route, he'd need a lot of space, wouldn't he?
   
                Donny "B"   8)
Author:  knightshow [ Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:45 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Media conversion of Laser Discs
no doubt about it! I have an entire 300 gb hard drive JUST for my video files and pioneer lasers! The Pioneers themselves are almost 220GB!
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