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| Author: | Lonman [ Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Sony is getting involved now. |
http://www.rssmicro.com/article/Sony_wa ... 13346.html |
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| Author: | timberlea [ Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sony is getting involved now. |
It's not really clear is it. Seems they're going after distributors but didn't say anything about manufacturers illegally making. |
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| Author: | karyoker [ Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sony is getting involved now. |
Sony is a Japan company. They have no rights or priveledges concerning the music industry of this country. This is another example of how the far east is taking over the world with oil and corps attempts at trying to stay afloat. |
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| Author: | seattledrizzle [ Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sony is getting involved now. |
The article doesn't give too many details...I wonder if there will be more forthcoming? Interestingly, Sony makes a karaoke player: http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=11035718&SR=sony_search_seo&SQS=karaoke Sony-ATV is the music publishing branch of Sony: http://www.sonyatv.com/ |
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| Author: | Murray C [ Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sony is getting involved now. |
I would hazzard a guess that Ace Karaoke and CAVS have been selling karaoke music that Sony owns the copyright on without obtaining permission from Sony (ie they haven't obtained the licence to reproduce those tracks). If that is true, then Sony has every right to seek compensation from those companies that have been profiteering from the copyrighted material. Quote: Sony is a Japan company. They have no rights or priveledges concerning the music industry of this country.
Strong statement! I'd be willing to bet they have more rights than a certain other country being in a certain Middle-Eastern country! |
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| Author: | Jian [ Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sony is getting involved now. |
karyoker @ 18th March 2008, 9:20 am wrote: Sony is a Japan company. They have no rights or priveledges concerning the music industry of this country. This is another example of how the far east is taking over the world with oil and corps attempts at trying to stay afloat.
Microsoft is American; maybe I should use a cracked version of Win xp LOL |
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| Author: | karyoker [ Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sony is getting involved now. |
Quote: Sony is a Japan company. They have no rights or priveledges concerning the music industry of this country. This is another example of how the far east is taking over the world with oil and corps attempts at trying to stay afloat.
This was a post while intoxicated post. It was a bad post and I retract it as it didnt come close to expressing what I was trying to say.. Sorry.... |
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| Author: | sidewinder [ Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sony is getting involved now. |
It says plenty. What will happen to your karaoke business if all of the karaoke suppliers bail out of the business from the liability aspect? 
You will get no more or very little new music. And the price could possibly be very high. If you never get any new songs again to add to your play list, will your karaoke business survive very long? |
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| Author: | jamkaraoke [ Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sony is getting involved now. |
karyoker @ Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:19 am wrote: Quote: Sony is a Japan company. They have no rights or priveledges concerning the music industry of this country. This is another example of how the far east is taking over the world with oil and corps attempts at trying to stay afloat. This was a post while intoxicated post. It was a bad post and I retract it as it didnt come close to expressing what I was trying to say.. Sorry.... This is your best post yet ! - I think you said EXACTLY what you wanted to say ..... There ARE NO MORE AMERICAN COMPANIES ...... WE"VE BEEN SOLD .......  LMAO LMAO
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| Author: | Cueball [ Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sony is getting involved now. |
sidewinder @ Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:20 am wrote: It says plenty.
What will happen to your karaoke business if all of the karaoke suppliers bail out of the business from the liability aspect? You will get no more or very little new music. And the price could possibly be very high. If you never get any new songs again to add to your play list, will your karaoke business survive very long? In answer to your question, nothing will happen to the Karaoke business. They will all survive as they have up to now. If you aren't getting new music because of what you just said, , then nobody is getting new music. Thus, everyone will still have enough to keep the people entertained. Try running a list of what is sung at your shows (we have such a topic thread in the JOLT Karaoke forum). See what the people are singing in a 3 - 4 hour show, and then tell me how many of those songs are current (from within the last 3 months or so) as versus 2 - 40 years old in the musical genres (sp?). |
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| Author: | Lonman [ Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sony is getting involved now. |
cueball @ Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:57 am wrote: sidewinder @ Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:20 am wrote: It says plenty. What will happen to your karaoke business if all of the karaoke suppliers bail out of the business from the liability aspect? You will get no more or very little new music. And the price could possibly be very high. If you never get any new songs again to add to your play list, will your karaoke business survive very long? In answer to your question, nothing will happen to the Karaoke business. They will all survive as they have up to now. If you aren't getting new music because of what you just said, , then nobody is getting new music. Thus, everyone will still have enough to keep the people entertained. Try running a list of what is sung at your shows (we have such a topic thread in the JOLT Karaoke forum). See what the people are singing in a 3 - 4 hour show, and then tell me how many of those songs are current (from within the last 3 months or so) as versus 2 - 40 years old in the musical genres (sp?). Yep new (current) music is not the driving force of my shows either. |
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| Author: | exweedfarmer [ Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sony is getting involved now. |
Sony/Phillips also holds the rights to the CDG graphics format. I wonder if anyone has been paying them for that. |
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| Author: | sidewinder [ Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sony is getting involved now. |
And you think your business will run forever without ever getting new music? Why do you take requests for new music and why do people keep asking for it and why do you keep buying it? Stop buying all music for a year and see where you are? Nobody wants to sing the same old songs forever. The younger singers won't come around as much. So pretty soon you are left with all older people. Without new blood your business will stagnate and die. Don't buy any (new or old) music for a year and prove me wrong. You will lose the bet and your business. 
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| Author: | Lonman [ Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sony is getting involved now. |
Nope the karaoke side won't run forever without music, but it won't die overnight either, it would still be years before people would completely lose interest & then that may even be a low estimate. Most of the 'new' music I get requests for are classic rock & country, not much current stuff so losing newer 'current' music would not be much of an impact on my business. By looking at some of the lists in the what got sung tonight thread, it looks as though most others don't get a lot of new (current) songs sung regularly either. Plus also as mentioned the competition would have the same playing field as well as they wouldn't be able to get any either, so by that point you have to adapt into other area of entertainment - which I am completely ready to, already have a dj setup that I use for my fill music anyway, I still run live sound for bands and could do it with my karaoke equipment. I am not locked into karaoke, I do other things as well. |
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| Author: | seattledrizzle [ Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sony is getting involved now. |
A few years ago, there was a show I attended at a bar because it was closest to where I lived. The host had one of the smallest selections of songs I have encountered. In a time span of about 2 years, she updated it once. None of the songs were hot off the press type songs. To my amazement, the bar did very well with her show. Part of success is how well the hosting is done and how well the sound is done. If you can keep a diverse crowd happy, then you will have less slow nights. |
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| Author: | Micky [ Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sony is getting involved now. |
jamkaraoke @ Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:51 am wrote: karyoker @ Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:19 am wrote: Quote: Sony is a Japan company. They have no rights or priveledges concerning the music industry of this country. This is another example of how the far east is taking over the world with oil and corps attempts at trying to stay afloat. This was a post while intoxicated post. It was a bad post and I retract it as it didnt come close to expressing what I was trying to say.. Sorry.... This is your best post yet ! - I think you said EXACTLY what you wanted to say ..... There ARE NO MORE AMERICAN COMPANIES ...... WE"VE BEEN SOLD ....... LMAO LMAOWho knows??? Toyota will buy GM, Honda will buy Ford for their trucks, Sony will buy Microsoft, Bombardier will buy Boeing but who can buy WAL-MART??? Well, you can keep it 
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| Author: | Jian [ Thu Mar 20, 2008 3:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sony is getting involved now. |
sidewinder @ 20th March 2008, 5:41 am wrote: And you think your business will run forever without ever getting new music?
Why do you take requests for new music and why do people keep asking for it and why do you keep buying it? Stop buying all music for a year and see where you are? Nobody wants to sing the same old songs forever. The younger singers won't come around as much. So pretty soon you are left with all older people. Without new blood your business will stagnate and die. Don't buy any (new or old) music for a year and prove me wrong. You will lose the bet and your business. Then the original music label will take over the karaoke business; no need to license it out anymore. This is what is happening in most part of Asia. Then you will sing to the original backing rather than the cover version. |
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| Author: | sidewinder [ Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sony is getting involved now. |
I'm bored with singing the hunderds of songs i know. I like to get new songs to sing. Your singers are no different. How many times will the nonsingers want to hear the same old same old before they get bored with it. Singing to the original songs would be fantastic. I think someone should do entire artists albums. With every track on the album. I can remember a lot of good songs that never made the radio play lists. And i would love to sing many of them. |
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| Author: | johnny reverb [ Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sony is getting involved now. |
sidewinder @ Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:12 am wrote: I'm bored with singing the hunderds of songs i know.
Now THAT'S the "Big Dog" I remember..........
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| Author: | Dr Fred [ Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Sony is getting involved now. |
By going after CAVs and Ace Karoake it looks like they may be going after the "discount" market (groups like All hits, SGB, and Cavs). A lot of the discount cds are on the order of 25 cents a song or less. Considering that they should be paying 8.5 cents each for the mechanical rights, and some un known but negotiated rate for the other sync rights, it is highly likely that these discounters are paying for any of the songs. Certainly a lot of the common discount sets cant be really legal. If some company like SGB, All-hits, or Supercore paid for their licenses at some past date they probably have printed far more copies than they paid for. If we can buy the songs at about 20 cents retail, they probably are half that wholesale, and some of the cost must include the disk and other packageing costs. |
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