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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 2:33 pm 
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Just how I feel.."Fluff" is like the "pet on the head" and the milkbone thrown meaning it's easy, it's cheap, it takes virtually no time, and it's usually selfish. It also does nothing for those that wish to sing decently. The audience is a prime example of "two-faced behaviour" sure, they'll clap, while stating out've the side of their mouth something like"How could a person sounding that horrible dare get up on stage" ?  When it comes to critical listeners (THIS IS ALL the real world EVEN in "just karaoke", online especially and BEHIND your back) and this scares me more than the honest folks booing me.

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Similarly, I want to know that my "Friends" are getting good advice helping them to become the best singers (performers) they can be (assuming they wish to sound decent, and most ask because they DO want to know what's what). Some aspects are in fact subjective and not definitive - yet certain areas like technical areas singing "WAY off key and tempo, out've range aren't typically subjective in genres assuming conventionally "singing" and skill involved is the objective.

In my particular case I've been lucky.  I've found some friends who dare to STAY honest with me.. IF there's development, this will be the ones I owe any development to, I am deaf when it comes to hearing the results of what I attempt.  When somebody tells me when something DOES NOT work for me, usually within a week or so down the road, I can hear exactly what they mean.. What they are doing is training me HOW to listen to ME.. That's the first step.. I rely on my friends to tell me something is"junk" (yet granted, in kinder terminology such as "This song isn't for you").

Thank you all that've hung in there thru this "different" experience I've been going thru trying to learn something VASTLY different than ANYTHING I've ever attempted before in my life.. It never ocurred to me how abstract a skill this is due to our physiological makeup. Unlike instrumental music,  I can't trade in the first junky guitar for a Strat or LP.. I either must develop what I have (into a reasonable sounding instrument- which means working only with the characterists of ONE possible instrument)), because it's not something I can upgrade by trying to avoid it, and working on something that can't be, likely ever.

 What I'm finding tricky is that with enough practice in music, an instrumentalist can work on skills SOMEWHAT emulating anyone they like, and given electronics they can more easily alter their sound beyond basic tweaks...  We don't have that option when we sing to transform ourselves electronically or timbre-wise fundamentally like a synth or keyboard player can.. The playing field is often much more level assuming all sit down and begin on the same wurlitzer electric piano model.. Singers need to learn to make a different allowance, and that is for their UNIQUE sound, meaning learning to hear ourselves AS WE EXIST, and I find that VERY scary initially but there's NO way around it !  .. To imagine sounding like somebody else might be fine if the singing is "just karaoke" and we don't listen to the result of what we've done..

It's usually close to impossible to tell just HOW stale or rusty we've become in any auditory area while doing it live. Most ALL that perform in music need to playback what they've done to determine how rusty they/ve become. Yet with singing, it involves learning how our voice actually sounds. Something elusive and foreign to most.

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dont overlook the ones who arent "hanging in there" cos they are the ones who listen infrequently and are objective enuff to tell you if you are improving. By listening to absolutely everything I think one can be too close and lose objectivity

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MorganLeFey @ Sat Apr 19, 2008 12:41 am wrote:
dont overlook the ones who arent "hanging in there" cos they are the ones who listen infrequently and are objective enuff to tell you if you are improving. By listening to absolutely everything I think one can be too close and lose objectivity


If somebody after listening once EVER returns to listen to my singing that constitutes "Hanging in there".  To expect anything more (given my special ability) would be cruel and unusual punishment/torture, and I wouldn't wish to subject folks to that.

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