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What is the thought on end of night rotation substitution? What I mean is if Regular 1 has been in all night and was always in rotation and then Regular 2 comes in very late at night and Regular 1 asks to give up his spot for Regular 2. Others did not seem to mind as Regular 1 had the spot anyway had he decided to sing. How would you handle?

I don't know why it would be a problem. Can you tell me why it would be?

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Consider the following scenario...

1. The host has stopped taking requests due to the number of singers in rotation and time remaining limitations.

2. Customer A comes in late and is told that he/she cannot sing due to the fact that there are already too many singers in rotation.

3. Customer B comes in late and is told the same.

4. Customer C comes in LATER than customer A or B, but since he/she is a "friend" of someone already in rotation, the "friend" decides to "give" him/her their spot!

Is that fair to customer A or B? NO NO NO!

Or for a second scenario...

1. Customer A comes in, makes a request and is placed in the rotation in spot 5.

2. Customer B comes in, makes a request and is appropriately placed in the in spot 7.

3. Customer C comes in, but since he/she has a friend in spot TWO that wishes to GIVE them their spot, they are placed ABOVE Customer A or B, even though they were there first. FAIR? NO NO NO!

As I see it, the customer currently in rotation does NOT "own" the spot, freely able to give it to anyone they choose. "I", as the host "own" all of the spots, and pass them out as fairly as possible. Simply stated, if someone currently in rotation does not want to sing, it is "I", and ONLY "I" who will decide who sings in their place! Most often, the singer who no longer wants to sing is removed from the rotation and if time allows, the first person told that they coundn't sing due to time limitations is added to the END of the rotation.

tbreen

I don't see that there is a problem. However, you do have a "perceived situation" with the others in the club of #2 "line jumping."

Here's how I handle that situation:

I simply announce that #2 is coming up and that #1 "has graciously relinquished their position to accomodate #2" and thank them nicely.

This way everyone knows that #2 isn't line jumping and that #1 has given up their spot in the rotation.

Everyone is happy; #2 gets to sing, #1 gets a big "thank you" and everyone else knows how it happened.

And what do you tell the customers you placed in the rotation lower than the person being "given" the spot farther up the rotation, or not at all, even though they were there earlier?

If regular no1 gives up his spot the new singer should be added to the END of the rotation ? Everyone should move up allowing room for a new singer ?
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The announcement and "thank you" is done over the mic for everyone to hear, it's not a secret and it diffuses anyone from thinking that there has been any preferential treatment.



Absolutely if there are "new" singers that also have not yet had their chance.

You'll find that if you explain this kind of stuff to the entire room, no one will have a problem with it. In the case where you've done this and #2 doesn't get a chance because of the time, no one will be upset. #2 knows that you've put them in and it's a chance they take, #1 is still happy because you've given them a public acknowledgement of their graciousness and everyone else got moved up a notch.

I don't see it being a problem at all. If it is that busy no one is going to notice when this guy came in anyway. I would give him his spot. I wouldn't announce it because I don't want to let patrons think they can switch spots when ever they want. I have people ask if so & so can have their spot. Usually the answer is no because they have already sang in rotation and that would be KJ suicide. They can wait their turn like everyone else.

If it isn't busy I'd probably squeeze the late guy in before close any way. On a slow night most people have sang many times already. Squeezing in a newcomber isn't a problem or maybe just have him sing the last song of the night.

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If someone wants to give up their spot & knows they won't sing, then there really is no problem.
I have done it on occasion, try not to make it a habit as it can be taken into a problem state if more people do this & just stick up slips with no intention of singing but to 'hold' a friends spot that will come in later then 'give up' their spot graciously for their friend - who probably wouldn't have gotten in the rotation otherwise since I called no more slips.
Then reading tbreens first post, this is also a possible reason not to.

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There you go. Go ahead & trade singers, but put them at the very end so not to be ahead of anyone else. This would help a bit in that respect.

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Exactly the problem I was forseeing.

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I agree with TBREEN. Next thing you know, people will be selling their spots in the rotation to the highest bidder instead of the KJ doing it.

HEY! I'm up in two songs. Does anybody want to buy my spot?

I try to not work by hard rules. Try to treat every situation individually. To Keep things simple more times than not. I think I would have to agree with Threen. Nobody owns a spot in the rotation. If they are worried their friend won't make the rotation, they can still give up their spot, so their friend may come up quicker, but to replace them in rotation.

If you give idiots loopholes, they will try to take advantage of the situation.

Felix the KJ

I LIKE THAT!

How about: "If you give idiots loopholes, hopefully they will hang themselves."

Unless the one in late thinks to ask their friend in rotation if they could make it a duet or change songs so the late guy can sing their song and pretty much front the song.

But being the guy supposed to be next and being bumped by the late entry, I'm pretty much paying my tab, waving to the KJ, and leaving anyways since it's the last song. Unless you're the singer or friends, basically you're filler at closing time.

Once I take up the songbooks and announce no more requests, I'm done - just play out the 12-14 songs I've got lined up. No late arrivals, no substitutions. If someone drops out, then I get to wrap up 5 minutes earlier.
(My Saturday show is booked from 8-1 but almost always goes to 2. I donate the hour because I'm a swell guy and my singers are karaoke sluts.)
I don't owe anything (and my bar owner agrees) to a show-hopper who arrives after 1 am (with last call at 1:40) and wants to get up before people who've been there since 8 pm.

It's different for me because at the end of the night my people start leaving. The majority of people know when I close, sing their last song and leave. If I have one straggler come in right before close there is usually time to through him in before I pack it up for the night. If it is still busy the owner pays me to stay. So either way the person gets in to sing. I can't say that the late arrival person always gets to sing, but for the most part I can work it out.

People also know if they walk in right before close they are taking the chance they won't get a song in. They'll ask me and I usually tell them put the slip in and I'll do the best I can. I don't always know what time I'm closing until the very last minute.

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