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| Author: | DangerousDanKaraoke [ Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Promoting your business on your song slips? |
In another thread... ripman8 @ Fri Dec 19, 2008 3:54 pm wrote: I'm handing out customized song request slips as "business cards" and getting the word of mouth out. This has always puzzled me when I go to other shows and either see BLANK pieces of paper (guess you're supposed to know to write your name, song title and song number) or slips with lines to fill in the specified information and nothing else. Or just the company name with no phone number or website.
Why? It seems like a no-brainer and ridiculously cheap advertising to print 8-up slips (8 to one 8-1/2 X 11 page you can cut up) that include your company's name and website (or MySpace). I've had this information on my slips since I began in the business, and it's paid off many times over with calls for private parties. So what's on YOUR slips? |
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| Author: | Lonman [ Sun Dec 21, 2008 3:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Promoting your business on your song slips? |
I agree. I have all company info including website, email & phone number along with company logo. Name, Song Title, Song Number, Key Change & if I am using your disc. Also have them available on my site so people can print up & have them filled out before they walk in the door. http://lonmanproductions.com/requestslips.pdf Often I have went into shows that have slips on scrap paper cut up in no size or order, sometimes with lines drawn on them, sometimes with none. Even been to a few that actually just use the bars coasters - 'classy'! |
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| Author: | Cueball [ Sun Dec 21, 2008 7:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Promoting your business on your song slips? |
My song slips have the basic information on them... Name, Song, Song Number. I also have a little artwork on them That's it... nothing more. One reason that I do not put my contact information on them is because some people like to keep blank song slips and bring use them at other shows. Have song slips with your company name and/or contact on them appear at someone else's show could be almost as bad as you walking into a place that already has Karaoke, and handing out your business cards there. I don't need to be accused of trying to steal another KJ's show because of something that was not done by me intentionally. |
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| Author: | timberlea [ Sun Dec 21, 2008 8:03 pm ] | ||
| Post subject: | Re: Promoting your business on your song slips? | ||
We haven't had to pay for slips in years. We have advertisers pay for them with both their and our information on them. The slips are made by a professional printing company. A pic of one is attached but blurry.
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| Author: | DangerousDanKaraoke [ Sun Dec 21, 2008 8:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Promoting your business on your song slips? |
cueball @ Sun Dec 21, 2008 7:10 pm wrote: One reason that I do not put my contact information on them is because some people like to keep blank song slips and bring use them at other shows. Have song slips with your company name and/or contact on them appear at someone else's show could be almost as bad as you walking into a place that already has Karaoke, and handing out your business cards there. OMG...really? Really?
I provide my slips for use at my shows. If a patron decides to take one of my slips and use it at another show, how is that my fault? Why would that mean I'm soliciting someone else's show? After all they would only take my slip and hand it to the other KJ...not pass them out at another venue. And if another KJ sees my slip, so what? Very small (if any) downside here. |
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| Author: | JoeChartreuse [ Sun Dec 21, 2008 10:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Promoting your business on your song slips? |
DangerousDanKaraoke @ Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:24 pm wrote: cueball @ Sun Dec 21, 2008 7:10 pm wrote: One reason that I do not put my contact information on them is because some people like to keep blank song slips and bring use them at other shows. Have song slips with your company name and/or contact on them appear at someone else's show could be almost as bad as you walking into a place that already has Karaoke, and handing out your business cards there. OMG...really? Really?I provide my slips for use at my shows. If a patron decides to take one of my slips and use it at another show, how is that my fault? Why would that mean I'm soliciting someone else's show? After all they would only take my slip and hand it to the other KJ...not pass them out at another venue. And if another KJ sees my slip, so what? Very small (if any) downside here. Gotta go along here. I have name, song title, track #, key up/down, and "your disc", along with company name and contact info. This is too valuable a tool to ignore just because another host might see it. As Dan said, they are for use at MY show ( and hopefully some are put in a pocket). If the singer wants to re-use it so be it. |
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| Author: | Karen K [ Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Promoting your business on your song slips? |
I have the usual info on mine, and at the bottom in albeit a small font, the nights and locations of all our shows. Occasionally I'll have someone else's slip come through my show but not often. I LOVE when they take one of mine with them. I used to put my phone # on them but figure if that is one of the footers in my printed book, they can write it down if they want it. For new gigs I make 'business cards' with my name, the location, any extras the place offers, (food, drinks, etc), and the night(s) of the show. In the weeks preceding the start of a new show I might hand out 30-40 of these randomly. Surprising how many of those people hang on to the card and show up. (Occasionally I'll get the venue to offer "2-fer-1" something with presentation of the card - of course that's the best way to determine the value of such cards.) |
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| Author: | Cueball [ Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Promoting your business on your song slips? |
DangerousDanKaraoke @ Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:24 pm wrote: I provide my slips for use at my shows. If a patron decides to take one of my slips and use it at another show, how is that my fault? Why would that mean I'm soliciting someone else's show? After all they would only take my slip and hand it to the other KJ...not pass them out at another venue. And if another KJ sees my slip, so what?
Very small (if any) downside here. Because I also attend some of those shows, it's easy for another KJ to accuse you of soliciting your show/s at their show... especially when your own song slips are circulating there. You say 1 slip, what's the harm? Well, I know people that carry 10 or 20 slips in their pocketbooks/bags, and others see them when they leave the slip on the table while they are deciding what to sing. Just because you don't understand that it can happen, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. And yes... I know some KJs that are extremely insecure about things like this, and it doesn't matter what you say, they won't believe you. What's the downside, you say? My reputation. I don't need another KJ spreading the word around to others that I am trying to steal their gig. I have filled in for several KJs, and some KJs will drop my name around if they can't do a particular show. I don't need to lose that because of a trust that may or may not have been broken. |
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| Author: | mrmarog [ Mon Dec 22, 2008 6:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Promoting your business on your song slips? |
Why go to all the work when this program does it all and it's free. Go to www.latshawsystems.com/ProductDetails_R ... rator.aspx it's and completely customizable. Mrmarog |
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| Author: | Babs [ Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Promoting your business on your song slips? |
Cool website ^ I have basic slips: Name, Song, Number and a little art work I used a graphic program to make them and print them free at work. No cost. I have no reason to advertise, but like the idea. I understand Cueball's decision. In his circumstances it isn't a good idea to put info on his slips. I'm guessing this is from experience. I won't question it. |
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| Author: | c. staley [ Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Promoting your business on your song slips? |
Don't use song slips at all or songbooks for that matter... I use a kiosk.... when others bring in slips from other shows I usually ask them; "What's THAT?" Save a few thousand trees and go all digital.... Besides, we have the "DRAM law" here.... if a singer were to get in a car accident and have a slip in their pocket or purse, it can be traced back to you and which night AND which bar.... and at that time the bar will be sued. Most likely for "overserving" or some other such nonsense. |
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| Author: | JoeChartreuse [ Mon Dec 22, 2008 3:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Promoting your business on your song slips? |
cueball @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 4:40 am wrote: Very small (if any) downside here. Because I also attend some of those shows, it's easy for another KJ to accuse you of soliciting your show/s at their show... especially when your own song slips are circulating there. You say 1 slip, what's the harm? Well, I know people that carry 10 or 20 slips in their pocketbooks/bags, and others see them when they leave the slip on the table while they are deciding what to sing. Just because you don't understand that it can happen, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. And yes... I know some KJs that are extremely insecure about things like this, and it doesn't matter what you say, they won't believe you. [/quote] Different kettle of fish, Cue. If you, as a host, go to other shows and spread your slips around, it's the same as handing out cards. That WOULD be uncool. When I go to other shows I never use my own slips. ( Personally, I really don't care whose slips show up on my table. Again, I'm the only one seeing them) This is more about your CUSTOMERS taking your slips and re-using them. |
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| Author: | Lonman [ Mon Dec 22, 2008 3:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Promoting your business on your song slips? |
mrmarog @ Mon Dec 22, 2008 7:50 am wrote: Why go to all the work when this program does it all and it's free. Go to www.latshawsystems.com/ProductDetails_R ... rator.aspx it's and completely customizable.
Mrmarog That would be good for someone who doesn't have a decent publishing program - not really keen on the final output, but if it's all someone has then it's fine. Otherwise I still prefer Publisher. |
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| Author: | timberlea [ Mon Dec 22, 2008 7:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Promoting your business on your song slips? |
Quote: Besides, we have the "DRAM law" here.... if a singer were to get in a car accident and have a slip in their pocket or purse, it can be traced back to you and which night AND which bar.... and at that time the bar will be sued. Most likely for "overserving" or some other such nonsense.
A slip in one's pocket proves nothing. The prson could have been there yesterday, last week, last month, ot even last year. But nice scaremongering. Those cases are difficult to prove unless you have a lot of eyewitnesses and/or video. We get slips from different shows. So what. If you're that concerned about a competitor's slip, it says more about you than them. Is one's show so bad that one is afraid of losing it. Our singer can do whatever they like with the slips. In fact it is good for the advertisers. |
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| Author: | diafel [ Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Promoting your business on your song slips? |
I'm of the same opinion of you, timberlea. The slip in a pocket proves nothing and no prosecuter worth his salt would make anything of it. As for another host complaining about it, even if I go to other shows and someone happens to use my slip at it, any of the other hosts around are secure enough to know that it means nothing. If those other hosts that you have built up "trust" with can't trust you, then maybe you don't have the "trust" you thought you had in the first place. I'd rethink your stance if I were you. The slips are great for getting word out to people who may want to hire you for a private gig. |
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| Author: | Lonman [ Tue Dec 23, 2008 2:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Promoting your business on your song slips? |
I get slips from other shows all the time, no skin off my nose, they are at MY show for that night! |
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| Author: | mrdelicious2 [ Tue Dec 23, 2008 4:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Promoting your business on your song slips? |
I printed my business card on the back of my slips for the first couple of years. I thought it was a great idea. However, after getting so many people saying they wanted to use the back of the slips to 'jot something down', which I also wanted to do several times. I now just have my cards readily available to hand out to anyone that may want one, but have cleaned the back of my slips....MrD |
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| Author: | diafel [ Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Promoting your business on your song slips? |
mrdelicious2 @ Tue Dec 23, 2008 5:36 am wrote: However, after getting so many people saying they wanted to use the back of the slips to 'jot something down', which I also wanted to do several times.
Whicj is PRECISELY why you should have your business name and phone number on the front, at the very least. They jot someting down for later, bring it out at home or better yet, at work, someone else sees it and Bingo! You get a call for another gig. |
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| Author: | mrdelicious2 [ Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Promoting your business on your song slips? |
Well, my last run just has my business name at the top of the front side, I may add the phone number to it all well, ya know for the next run. Keep it simple, yet have the information that you need on it. MrD |
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| Author: | supercharged [ Tue Dec 23, 2008 4:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Promoting your business on your song slips? |
I have mine printed at a local printing company. they print 10 on a sheet, cut them and make them into pads of 25 slips. it costs me about $30 per 1000 slips. they have my logo, Name and website on them. along with the info needed for a karaoke slip. When I go to friends shows sometimes I fill out one of my slips just to be a smart azz. most get a kick out of it. nobody has taken offence. none have even realized that they could do the same. it seems garbage is the norm around here. |
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