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My company is having a little business trip in Dallas, TX ...
I will be there Friday and Saturday, leaving Sunday morning.

Does anyone know where the karaoke is there? I prefer a smaller crowd/venue and love a good "hole-in-the-wall"... Not much into country music though...

Your help is appreciated :)

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While Dallas is Texas you won't find many "real" country places. Folks will sing a bit more country than other cities but not *that* much most places.

That being said Dallas is a geographical large area. I only know the north section of Dallas and the cities north like Richardson, Plano, and Addison. All the Bars in Plano are non-smoking, nearly all others allow smoking. Just an FYI for you. There are several/too many to list but you can find a good listing at:

http://dfwkaraoke.com/

There are some listed on this site also. Do a quick search and you should be able to find them.

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Ohhh... Thanks for the tips! As an avid smoker, I appreciate that info. We'll be staying at the Wyndham by the DFW airport...

This will be my first visit to Dallas so I'm not sure of the area of town that's in..

Thanks tho - will be checking out that site so we can get our groove on :)

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The airport is actually in Irving and is a bit out of my personal stomping grounds. The cities close by will be Irving, Grapevine, Arlington. The Wyndham is just off the airport on the north side. If you have a car the best access will be to places in Lewisville, Carrolton, and Grapevine. Addison and North Dallas are close enough also. I don't think you'll find a place within walking distance of the hotel.

Edit: The British Rose off Forrest Lane in North Dallas has Karaoke both nights you'll be in town. You can smoke indoors and the KJ has a very nice book. It'll be a bit of a trek for ya, 20 miles or so, but a nice typical hole-in-the-wall place. Tkae 635 East to Greenville Ave (just after the 75 interchange), south on Greenville (right) and turn right on Forrest. Turn right at the first light you come to on Forrest, that's the parking lot for the Rose.

Have fun in Dallas and have a happy New Year.


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Thanks for the input and help..

Loved the link you sent me, funny guy!

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Oh and as a plug I run the Show in Plano at the End Zone on Friday nights. It's a bit far for you to drive but it's a fun place. :)


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Well, I think the boss is getting a rental for me and he likes to karaoke too :) A lot of times when we go on these trips, he and I and a couple of others end up at the first karaoke bar we can find and have some fun :)

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It's a good thing you are going to Dallas now as come April the new law comes into effect banning smoking in all bars and pool halls.

Personally I hope it becomes a state law. I hate coming home at night smelling like an ashtray.....

AND I DON'T SMOKE

besides it's hard on the equipment too.


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I don't smoke either but I can't see why the state has to make the decision on what owners will allow in the club. It's legal to sell smokes because the state gets it's taxes but it'll be illegal to even smoke them outside soon. I have the option of working in a place that allows smoking or doesn't allow smoking and can choose as I wish.

Let the customer decide. If non-smoking bars are such a great idea they wouldn't have to pass laws to make it happen., it'd just die out on it's own <shrug>.


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I have to disagree with you, a smoking bar will never become a non-smoking bar unless someone steps in and makes it so whether it be the state of the bar owner. If the option were given you might have 99 people in there who were non-smokers but there will always be one who lights up much to the distaste of the other patrons but nothing they can do about it.

The law is to protect the rights of all. I really hate sitting next to a table where there are smokers and my table doesn't smoke. Being a non-smoker you can't tell me that you like coming home with your clothes smelling like smoke can you?

Sure it's legal to sell them but so is gasoline and I sure wouldn't want someone sitting next to me in a bar with a 5 gallon pail of it just because it legal to buy and have.

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Washington State has strict no-smoking laws. Nobody cares anymore. Those hardcore smokers are outside shivering their buns off, smoking as much as always. Once the initial shock wears off, people will still go out and spend their money.

It isn't even a issue here anymore. Tribal casinos allow smoking and people still go to those but the law hasn't stopped them from frequenting non-smoking places as well.

Ironically you may well hear people discussing the fact that even as smokers, they like to go home and not smell like cigarette smoke, and they enjoy being in a smoke-free environment. Now figure THAT one....


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Honestly I don't like smelling like an ashtray when I come home when I work a smoking bar. I also have the choice to not work that bar should I care not to. I hated smelling like paint thinner when I worked as a painter in college so I got a different job. Texas is looking at a State law that bans smoking entirely. The main premise is, get this, the municipalities that allow smoking have an advantage. The smoking ban would be "leveling the playing field".

Smoking was banned in Plano and the impact on bar patronage was dramatic. Some quick excepts from "The Dallas Smoking Ordinance, One Year Later" report on the Impacts of the City of Dallas Smoking Ban on Alcoholic Beverage Sales March 2003 to March 2004 prepared for The Greater Dallas Restaurant Association.
The Report wrote:
After several years of strong growth in alcoholic beverage sales, sales at Dallas’ restaurants showed a small year over year decline between 2000 and 2001 totaling about $370,000* (see Figure 1 below). Considering the dual effects of an economic downturn and the impacts of the 9/11 attacks on consumer spending at hospitality venues, this decrease offers little surprise. Moreover, as the impact of the tech-wreck extended the loss of regional business activity well into 2002, alcoholic beverage sales dropped an additional $4.1 million compared to 2001. As the regional economy stabilized and began showing early signs of returning growth, expectations rose that consumers would regain their desire for fine dining accompanied by alcoholic beverage sales. However, for Dallas’ restaurants the pain grew worse. Comparing 2003 to 2002, year over year sales of alcoholic beverage at eating and drinking establishments in Dallas fell $11.8 million – almost three times the decrease in sales between 2001 and 2002.

According to responses received by the Greater Dallas Restaurant Association, restaurant owners have seen alcoholic beverage sales decline anywhere from 9 percent to over 50 percent since the Dallas smoking ban went into effect. Owners and managers of these establishments report mixed results in food sales, with one restaurant indicating no impact on food sales while others claim as much as a 25 percent loss in food sales. No responding restaurant indicated they had gained revenues since the smoking ban’s inception

Sufficient evidence exists to suggest that at least some of Dallas’ premier restaurants have lost business because of the smoking ban. Their revenue losses translate into fewer jobs and lost tax revenue to the City. The hordes of new customers looking for smoke-free dining experiences have not shown up at the tables.


We let folks drink in bars after they pass the age of 18 and if you don't want drunks around you simply avoid places that serve alcohol. Letting the owners decide what they want to do with their establishment seems perfectly logical, some don't serve the beer I like and I go to other places to get it. If there are that many non-smokers out there looking for a non-smoking bar there is always a ready owner to ante up and provide it.

Now I'm sorry to have mentioned smoking at all in my previous posts because it is an incendiary item that ignites all types of passions. My personal passion is to let folks do whatever is legal. If you're going to outlaw it, then outlaw it and stop selling smokes. Cities don't want that because the "sin tax" on alcohol and tobacco is too profitable.

In short bars aren't places people *have* to work or go to for entertainment; there are plenty of other options. Letting people decide for themselves seems like prudence to me.


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The smoking bans are what my wife and i talked about we as citizens are letting a few namby pambys rule us by telling us what is healthyand not not letting people decide for themselves. the constitution gives us certain rights and one is the pursuit of happiness. what if the do gooders decide singing is bad for us it could happen think about this a few are trying to control the masses just my thoughts. dave NON SMOKER


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You all should check out electronic cigarettes. They're relatively new, and most people haven't heard of them. No "smoke", no cancer, no smell, and they are legal in non-smoking areas. Bar owners seem to love the idea, especially in places with a smoking ban.

www.vaportrailse-cigs.com
www.e-cigarette-forum.com


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diamonddave @ Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:53 pm wrote:
The smoking bans are what my wife and i talked about we as citizens are letting a few namby pambys rule us by telling us what is healthyand not not letting people decide for themselves. the constitution gives us certain rights and one is the pursuit of happiness. what if the do gooders decide singing is bad for us it could happen think about this a few are trying to control the masses just my thoughts. dave NON SMOKER


I think that most are missing the idea. A smoking ban is not to punish the smoker but to protect the non-smoker. True the Constitution gives us certain rights including the pursuit of happiness but it does not give you the right to harm another person by your actions.

Also the smoking ban (that the state is proposing) will not eliminate smoking all together it simply stops it from bars and pool halls and up to 15 feet outside such establishments. If you want to smoke past that point or in your car or home or somewhere else that's not on the list.

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I'm still left scratching my head when, as a non-smoker, my pursuit of happiness trumps a smokers. There isn't a bar owner who wants the smoking bar, if they did their establishment woulda been non-smoking to begin with.

I'm still left looking for a good answer as to why a business owner can't make the decision themselves and why employees can't decide what type of environment they mind/don't mind working in. People are too stupid to make the right decisions so we'll make them for you? The non-smoker can make the choice of not walking into the establishment. If you don't like Sushi don't go in a Sushi bar. Should we shut Sushi places down to protect non-sushi eaters? Ok, yes, ridiculous, but you *do* have that level of choice in places to have a drink.

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Gryf @ Sun Jan 04, 2009 11:14 pm wrote:
I'm still left scratching my head when, as a non-smoker, my pursuit of happiness trumps a smokers. There isn't a bar owner who wants the smoking bar, if they did their establishment woulda been non-smoking to begin with.

I'm still left looking for a good answer as to why a business owner can't make the decision themselves and why employees can't decide what type of environment they mind/don't mind working in.

Because people will do things deleterious to their health when it comes to supporting themselves and their family. It is like saying that construction companies don't need to issue hardhats or safety glasses -- the employees can decide if they want to risk it.

I can see the persuasiveness of that argument, if you hold with the second-hand smoke being a great hazard. I don't feel it has been conclusively shown to be a huge hazard, myself. Personally I think that there should be smoking licenses issued just like liquor licenses. I don't see the difference, since 10% of the population (and 30% of bar regulars) abuse alcohol and it is also proven to be a health hazard.

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Gryf @ Sun Jan 04, 2009 11:14 pm wrote:
I'm still left looking for a good answer as to why a business owner can't make the decision themselves and why employees can't decide what type of environment they mind/don't mind working in. People are too stupid to make the right decisions so we'll make them for you? The non-smoker can make the choice of not walking into the establishment. If you don't like Sushi don't go in a Sushi bar. Should we shut Sushi places down to protect non-sushi eaters? Ok, yes, ridiculous, but you *do* have that level of choice in places to have a drink.



Barring these (admittedly) ridiculous statements, I will say this much.... I am a non-smoker, and I have been hanging out in bars for years. As you clearly said, it was MY CHOICE to do so (even knowing that I would come home stinking of tobacco). As far as the last part of your comment, prior to the Non-Smoking Bans, I have NEVER been to a Bar where there weren't any smokers, so the only "level of choice" (as you phrased it) that I had then, was to immediately leave or stay and have that drink .


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I can see the persuasiveness of that argument, if you hold with the second-hand smoke being a great hazard. I don't feel it has been conclusively shown to be a huge hazard, myself. Personally I think that there should be smoking licenses issued just like liquor licenses. I don't see the difference, since 10% of the population (and 30% of bar regulars) abuse alcohol and it is also proven to be a health hazard.

You are sadly mistaken: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_smoking
As for your analogy of drinking, it simply doen't hold water. Barring that a woman drinking is pregnant, there is NO possible way for you to take a drink and have that drink directly harm another person. Not so when you smoke a cigarette standing next to someone.
You might argue that a drunk person may get into a vehicle and hit someone and kill them, but that doesn't really hold water either, since not everyone will do that, and the stupidity factor cannot reasonably be part of the analogy.
The other thing you didn't account for is the fact that perhaps I don't like to go home stinking like a foul cigarette because YOU chose to blow it my way. When you drink a rye, I don't go home stinking of rye, unless of course, I was drinking rye myself.
You forget the employees that may be forced to work in smoking conditions to support themselves and their families. You can always say, "You have the choice not to work there". That is probably not the case and is simply a cop-out for those that don't want to look at the whole picture objectively.
Where I live, smoking is no longer allowed in places that have hired employees because of the PROVEN health hazards.
Best thing that ever happened as far as I'm concerned. I can now go out and enjoy myself without someone having their stinky cigarette burning in my eyes and stinking up my hair and clothes.
If they choose to smoke, they must go outside and be at least 3 yards from the entrance to the building before they light up. Fair enough. Non smokers don't have to brave the wall of smoke that used to happen when they were allowed to gather directly outside the doors.
When you are a smoker, you truly have NO (ZERO even!) clue as to how bad it really does smell.
Not to mention the proven health hazards, both to yourselves and to others.


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mckyj57 @ Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:35 pm wrote:
I can see the persuasiveness of that argument, if you hold with the second-hand smoke being a great hazard. I don't feel it has been conclusively shown to be a huge hazard, myself. Personally I think that there should be smoking licenses issued just like liquor licenses. I don't see the difference, since 10% of the population (and 30% of bar regulars) abuse alcohol and it is also proven to be a health hazard.

You are sadly mistaken: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_smoking
As for your analogy of drinking, it simply doen't hold water. Barring that a woman drinking is pregnant, there is NO possible way for you to take a drink and have that drink directly harm another person. Not so when you smoke a cigarette standing next to someone.
You might argue that a drunk person may get into a vehicle and hit someone and kill them, but that doesn't really hold water either, since not everyone will do that, and the stupidity factor cannot reasonably be part of the analogy.
The other thing you didn't account for is the fact that perhaps I don't like to go home stinking like a foul cigarette because YOU chose to blow it my way. When you drink a rye, I don't go home stinking of rye, unless of course, I was drinking rye myself.
You forget the employees that may be forced to work in smoking conditions to support themselves and their families. You can always say, "You have the choice not to work there". That is probably not the case and is simply a cop-out for those that don't want to look at the whole picture objectively.
Where I live, smoking is no longer allowed in places that have hired employees because of the PROVEN health hazards.
Best thing that ever happened as far as I'm concerned. I can now go out and enjoy myself without someone having their stinky cigarette burning in my eyes and stinking up my hair and clothes.
If they choose to smoke, they must go outside and be at least 3 yards from the entrance to the building before they light up. Fair enough. Non smokers don't have to brave the wall of smoke that used to happen when they were allowed to gather directly outside the doors.
When you are a smoker, you truly have NO (ZERO even!) clue as to how bad it really does smell.
Not to mention the proven health hazards, both to yourselves and to others.

Why so vehement? I am a non-smoker who stated that I saw the persuasiveness of the argument. Personally I prefer non-smoking establishments.

But second-hand smoke is about as proven to be a major cause of heath problems as humans are proven to be the cause of global warming. There is a "consensus" which not everyone agrees with. They blame opposition on the tobacco companies without actually looking at the evidence, just like global warming nutcases blame opposition on oil companies.

I've heard people say with a straight face that it is worse to be exposed second-hand smoke than to smoke yourself. People are dotty on the issue, and won't even listen to anyone doubting the "consensus".

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