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| Author: | srnitynow [ Wed Jan 28, 2009 10:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Mixing for Dummies |
I am LEARNING my new mixer (Profx12), by the book. I have a gig in one month from today. Sooo, I need to learn this thing inside and out by then. I have a pretty good learning ability, but always second guessing myself, so, I'm looking for some PROFESSIONAL advice on this subject. I'll be running 4 wired mics, into the xlr channels 1-4. For each channel, there's a gain, eq section hi, mid, low. Also aux section, mon, fx. Then the pan, and fader. If you need more information on the rest of my equipment, I'll be glad to give it. I'll be running the karaoke through the usb port from laptop to mixer. My main speakers are Jbl Eon 15g2's (powered speakers). In the manual, it says to set to unity, then go from there. There is also a low cut button, suggested that I use this. Now my questions are: Can I run a show with everything set like this? Also, it has a 7 band eq, (no idea how to set this). I'm NOT running a monitor speaker, do I turn the aux section all the way down, or leave it at unity? That question goes for ANYTHING I'm NOT using, do I turn the knobs all the way off, or does it really matter? NOW, for the FX presets, is there ONE effect that is used more often than the others, OR, is more versatile than others? I don't think I'll be changing the effect for each singer,for now, so I'm looking for a setting that can be used for most singers. The venue is a room about 30' x 30' with 14' ceilings.Any help is appreciated. I'm sure I'll have more questions, but this is a good start. Thanks, Rosario Serenity Now Karaoke |
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| Author: | srnitynow [ Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mixing for Dummies |
Any suggestions? Are my questions too specific? Not specific enough? Is mixing a secret? Are mixer questions taboo? Or is the title misleading? I don't know, can someone tell me? Thanks Rosario |
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| Author: | mckyj57 [ Wed Jan 28, 2009 3:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mixing for Dummies |
I recommend this: http://srforums.prosoundweb.com/index.p ... 291/20010/ I don't know the Mackie boards, so I won't presume to say more than just start everything flat. You will want the low-cut switch on the mic channel only, and set the low EQ to about 10 o'clock. |
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| Author: | karyoker [ Wed Jan 28, 2009 3:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mixing for Dummies |
If you have the resources set up outside where there are no room acoustics to deal with. Run controls to the extremes and learn the system and what it is capable of. Then you have a foundation or starting point in different venues. With EFX use them sparingly until you are more familiar with them Start with small plate. With any new gear put all at 12 and tweak over a period of time. Eq straightlined no gain or attenuation. A non adjusted system will out perform one that is maladjusted. After many many years I still try to learn new and better ways and have come to the conclusion there is no set way and every venue will require time to master. Everybody runs their system different and eventually peaks it out Good Luck |
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| Author: | Lonman [ Wed Jan 28, 2009 3:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mixing for Dummies |
mckyj57 @ Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:20 pm wrote: I recommend this:
http://srforums.prosoundweb.com/index.p ... 291/20010/ I don't know the Mackie boards, so I won't presume to say more than just start everything flat. You will want the low-cut switch on the mic channel only, and set the low EQ to about 10 o'clock. Low eq on the mic channel only. What she is asking is almost wanting a complete tutorial on how to run sound from scratch. Probably why there are no responses yet. Set the mic gains at unity. On the mics, try highs at 1 oclock, mids dead center, lows, 10 oclock. Low cut pushed down (engaged). Pan center. If you are not using a monitor, turn the Aux down full left, FX try at 9-10 oclock. Fader about Unity as well. The music channels, try the gain at about 10-11 oclock. No low cut (disengaged). Highs about 1 oclock. Mids center Lows about 1 oclock. Pan center Fader about unity. Aux & FX off, full left. Then you master fader you can start turning up, this will be the master volume overall. You want to make sure you vocals are just over the music. Any channel you aren't using just turn the gain, aux, fx & fader down. FX presets, there is no one magic setting for every singer & song, listen to them all & figure out what goes with what. Reverb & delay are the two primary effects, but several other also work well in other situations. It's a matter of listening & learning from the original music (how I do it anyway). Reverb is probably the most common if you don't feel like tailoring to your singers. EQ adjustments will (should) be needed almost every singer to get them to cut through the mix or tone down any harshness in their voice. The 7 band eq just leave flat in the middle for now. |
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| Author: | Jian [ Wed Jan 28, 2009 3:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mixing for Dummies |
mckyj57 @ 29th January 2009, 7:20 am wrote: I recommend this:
http://srforums.prosoundweb.com/index.p ... 291/20010/ I don't know the Mackie boards, so I won't presume to say more than just start everything flat. You will want the low-cut switch on the mic channel only, and set the low EQ to about 10 o'clock. A good reading for ALL KJ, |
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| Author: | srnitynow [ Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mixing for Dummies |
I hope this doesn't come out as a double post, but I can't find my reply. So, I'll start again by saying THANKS to ALL for your suggestions. Mckyj, I checked out the other site, very helpful. Karyoker, no chance of trying the equipment outside, Wisconsin winter. I will take the rest of your advice, thanks. Lonman, you were correct in assuming that I needed the WHOLE package, thanks. The tutorial you gave was just what I needed. It's good to know that I have someplace to go for a little help when I need it. I don't mind researching on my own, but it sure is nice to have someone explaining it, to know if I'm understanding what I'm reading. Also, some things come with experience, which is what you guys have. So, AGAIN, THANKS TO ALL. Oh!!!, by the way Lonman, my name is the same for both female, and male. I'm a guy. I have long hair, hence the avatar with long hair. Rosario Serenity Now Karaoke |
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| Author: | BamaRob [ Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mixing for Dummies |
Rosario, I dont claim to be as experienced as these guys but I'll tell you what I generally do. Set everything very neutral to start. Like 12 o'clock or so and start from there, up or down as needed. Set up your system, and then walk out in the crowd with something playing to test. Its got to be loud enough but not to overbearing to your crowd or piercing. They have to enjoy themselves. Any channels I'm not using, I just turn everything down or off. Eq all flat to start. Every venue is different and requires different settings, the only way to set is really just tinkering when you get there. The FX can be played with more later once you get used to what you're listening for. It's kinda just all in your ear. You have to tweek vol hi lo mid slightly for each singer. Its just takes a smidge of tweeking here and there all night. As always, pretty much everything these guys said is spot on. |
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| Author: | Lisah [ Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mixing for Dummies |
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| Author: | Marble [ Thu Jan 29, 2009 2:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mixing for Dummies |
Not an ideal way to run a show, but i teach all new staff to set everything at 12 o clock, check the volume... stand inbetween the speakers (to make the third point of a triangle) tilt their head from side to side... shake their head, return to desk, pretend to play with a few knobs, adjust the volume if need be. Repeat. On the third time, instead of shaking your head, smile as though you've just finished the best sandwhich ever. (looking confident can convince the average person all is well.... puzzled faces, and continual fussing indicates something is wrong and then people will try and work out what it is). On a pratical note, plug in the head phones, sit with your desk, and play with each channel individually> For example on the mic channel Set everything at 12 o clock, speak, listen, then turn the bass up fully... listen, turn the bass off, listen... play around to what you feel is best, set the bass back to 12 o clock and continue.... Telling someone what good sound is, is like telling someone what good food is... Your opinion is as valid as the next person, experience or not. |
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