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Actually, I tried using two 10" monitors... and while they ended up working fine, I found that they worked better as a second set of speakers.

That is, I can keep the main speakers lower in volume if I throw the 10s in the "dead spots" of the room.

Most bars aren't built with acoustics in mind. To get the sound to travel all around the room the mains have to be turned up so loud that it kills the folks in the front.

The funny thing is, it blends so well, that most people don't even realise that they smaller speakers are there.

Since there isn't a lot of "cross noise" like with a live band, I could get away with just that set up, but I'm obsessed so I added a straight vocal monitor as well. I have a "vocal out" on my amp, so I run a line out to a small 75 watt self powered speaker amp. This works the best of anything I've used.

Author:	keddano [ Tue Feb 10, 2009 11:26 am ]
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What size monitor do most run with their set-ups. Any recommandations?

Author:	Lonman [ Tue Feb 10, 2009 11:29 am ]
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Assuming you mean video monitor. http://karaoke-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15773

Author:	keddano [ Tue Feb 10, 2009 11:55 am ]
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Opps, should have made it clear. Referring to a Audio Stage Monitor for the singers to better heard themselves. Just the normal stuff like we use in bands,or I think I have seen some smaller ones for mounting on Mic stands.

Author:	mckyj57 [ Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:20 pm ]
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keddano @ Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:55 pm wrote: Opps, should have made it clear. Referring to a Audio Stage Monitor for the singers to better heard themselves. Just the normal stuff like we use in bands,or I think I have seen some smaller ones for mounting on Mic stands. Those work OK. Remember, the number one nemesis of band monitors -- stage noise -- is near non-existent in karaoke. I use a single or double KPC-10M with about 100W going to each. More than enough.

Author:	Lonman [ Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:23 pm ]
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Stage monitors I use two 12" two way Peavey - 1 in each corner of the stage, externally crossed over & bi-amped. 12" is about the biggest for most karaoke situations i'd use, 10" would be the smallest.

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Author:	VirtuRock.com [ Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:54 pm ]
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I found that in tight areas my little Yamaha duel 8" speaker works great. It's off a surround sound system .

Author:	keddano [ Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:19 am ]
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Thanks,I guess I'll watch and see what I can come across at a fair price.

Author:	Alex [ Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:17 am ]
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Speaking of which... Is there a rule of thumb for the singer's monitor (watts)? Kind of like the ratio top to sub (1:2)?

Author:	mckyj57 [ Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:27 am ]
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Sevarin @ Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:17 am wrote: Speaking of which... Is there a rule of thumb for the singer's monitor (watts)? Kind of like the ratio top to sub (1:2)? I can't imagine that you could create one, because unlike the top/sub calculation the acoustics of the stage and relationship to FOH are paramount. As I have said before, in live sound you have to contend with stage noise, i.e. the sound of the guitar / bass / keyboard cabinets competing with the monitors. That is not an issue in karaoke. Thus, you can get away with a smaller amount of watts depending on how your stage is isolated from the mains. If you have little sound from the mains, then you want a full enough sound that the singer can find themselves and feel good about singing. I find that my 120w amp going to a single 10" speaker is adequate when we have part of the mains. If isolated from the mains, it works better with a 250w 12" speaker (B212A).

Author:	Lonman [ Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:52 am ]
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Sevarin @ Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:17 am wrote: Speaking of which... Is there a rule of thumb for the singer's monitor (watts)? Kind of like the ratio top to sub (1:2)? Not really, just loud enough so they hear it over the mains. Being it's usually a close proximity, it doesn't have to be very powerful. Couple hundred watts is usually more than adequate.

Author:	karaoke koyote [ Fri Feb 13, 2009 5:35 am ]
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Actually, I tried using two 10" monitors... and while they ended up working fine, I found that they worked better as a second set of speakers. That is, I can keep the main speakers lower in volume if I throw the 10s in the "dead spots" of the room. Most bars aren't built with acoustics in mind. To get the sound to travel all around the room the mains have to be turned up so loud that it kills the folks in the front. The funny thing is, it blends so well, that most people don't even realise that they smaller speakers are there. Since there isn't a lot of "cross noise" like with a live band, I could get away with just that set up, but I'm obsessed so I added a straight vocal monitor as well. I have a "vocal out" on my amp, so I run a line out to a small 75 watt self powered speaker amp. This works the best of anything I've used.

Author:	karyoker [ Fri Feb 13, 2009 7:51 am ]
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Quote: Actually, I tried using two 10" monitors... and while they ended up working fine, I found that they worked better as a second set of speakers. That is, I can keep the main speakers lower in volume if I throw the 10s in the "dead spots" of the room. Most bars aren't built with acoustics in mind. To get the sound to travel all around the room the mains have to be turned up so loud that it kills the folks in the front. The funny thing is, it blends so well, that most people don't even realise that they smaller speakers are there. Since there isn't a lot of "cross noise" like with a live band, I could get away with just that set up, but I'm obsessed so I added a straight vocal monitor as well. I have a "vocal out" on my amp, so I run a line out to a small 75 watt self powered speaker amp. This works the best of anything I've used. I have gone through the same process. In most venues now I have a main on the opposite side back towards the stage. I find when you are running EFX karaoke singers would rather hear the "final" product otherwise they feel they do not sound as good as the others. Some even lower their vocal when they hear a monitor. I sometimes put a monitor under a main no EFX back towards the stage. For dead spots I also use the older eon15's (non G2) with half the power of the G2 but make excellent fills. Most here are still locked into the old vocal only monitor setup though but after they sing on my system for awhile they dont dpend upon a monitor.

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