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Author:  gator [ Sun May 24, 2009 8:07 am ]
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I hate karaoke books and it just seems to me like they really arent needed. Very Rarely do I not have a song a person is looking for and Im sure that most everyone on this forum is the same way,I prefer for people to just write song name down I pull it up on laptop put them in que and there you go? I usually will tell them just to write several down in the order they want to sing them in and if I dont have one I move to their next choice,I also them them if they want to add mfg. on the slip. Don`t get me wrong I have books but I think they are just something to refresh their memory with really because I can find the song they are looking for on the laptop much much quicker. What are your thoughts on this?
Author:  karyoker [ Sun May 24, 2009 8:16 am ]
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One added advantage to this is you can make a note if you dont have it. If it's a current release I will check on it. Some singers dont like using books when they finf other ways.
Author:  gator [ Sun May 24, 2009 8:46 am ]
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That is exactly right you make a note to get that song you get now you have a new song that you have to add to the dreaded book etc.......
Author:  mrscott [ Sun May 24, 2009 10:57 am ]
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Personally, I would love to get rid of the heavy things. But, I find that the books are needed just for the purpose of giving the singers ideas. Most people sit there and draw a "blank" when they don't have a book to look at in front of them. It's just a way for them to look and find something that really doesn't come to mind right away. But you are right, the people who sing regularly probably don't use them as much as the newbies, or the people who go to the bars/clubs on an infrequent basis.

Just my 2 cents worth.
Author:  RLC [ Sun May 24, 2009 11:25 am ]
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mrscott @ Sun May 24, 2009 12:57 pm wrote:
Personally, I would love to get rid of the heavy things. But, I find that the books are needed just for the purpose of giving the singers ideas. Most people sit there and draw a "blank" when they don't have a book to look at in front of them. It's just a way for them to look and find something that really doesn't come to mind right away. But you are right, the people who sing regularly probably don't use them as much as the newbies, or the people who go to the bars/clubs on an infrequent basis.

Just my 2 cents worth.


I agree with everything you stated and that is my 2 cents worth.

3 more that agree and we will have a dime :D
Author:  Gryf [ Sun May 24, 2009 8:38 pm ]
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Books are a necessary evil for us to have new singers. Drunk, looking at the book and finding their favorite song is how we get them.
Author:  masterblaster [ Mon May 25, 2009 12:02 am ]
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I totally agree with mrscott. There are many people who peruse the book and find those "I can't believe you have this" songs. It's especially good for those who sing alot, and are always looking for something new to sing, but don't really know what they're looking for until they see it.
Author:  Bill H. [ Mon May 25, 2009 5:21 am ]
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Right next to where I have my books stacked is a big sign that says "If you know what you want to sing you don't have to look it up. Just write your name and the song on a Post-It." But on a busy night I'll run out of books anyway.

They get used. A lot. So I'll keep providing them.

I sometimes get comments from people new to the show who tell me that they are glad I still have books. I don't tell them why a couple of shows around here don't. ;)
Author:  leopard lizard [ Mon May 25, 2009 8:37 am ]
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I think books let everyone else in on the deal--as already stated, people who aren't singers--yet--sometimes like to start off with a bit of wishful thinking while perusing the books. If I went to a show and someone said, "Just tell me what you want to sing and I'll have it," it seems almost like a power/ego trip on the part of the KJ. I want to know what version it is so I know what I'm getting into. Some people don't care but our books have a manu code for those that do. I think looking at the books helps people to get in the mood.

Plus we are just starting out and only have 4,500 songs. We DON"T have em all.
Author:  timberlea [ Mon May 25, 2009 8:55 am ]
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And as a host, it would drive me nuts for people coming up every minute with "Do you have this". I equate it to "When am I up". Nope books and slips work very well.
Author:  Karen K [ Mon May 25, 2009 9:45 am ]
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For us it is a matter of having a pretty good library so newcomers LOVE to find stuff other places don't have - they'll usually bring their 1st song up, and then dive into the book for a half hour or so. I'd never be without books and don't care for shows that don't have them - I probably have 300-400 songs in my repertoire but often can't remember a SINGLE one when I'm put on the spot to sing something! ARGGGG... CRS sometimes is pretty bad.
Author:  rumbolt [ Mon May 25, 2009 12:48 pm ]
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I'm with you, gotta have the books. I still get the "do you have.......?" "I don't see it in the book" I don't forsee getting rid of them anytime soon even when I convert to computer this year.
Author:  ripman8 [ Tue May 26, 2009 4:27 pm ]
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leopard lizard @ Mon May 25, 2009 10:37 am wrote:
I think books let everyone else in on the deal--as already stated, people who aren't singers--yet--sometimes like to start off with a bit of wishful thinking while perusing the books. If I went to a show and someone said, "Just tell me what you want to sing and I'll have it," it seems almost like a power/ego trip on the part of the KJ. I want to know what version it is so I know what I'm getting into. Some people don't care but our books have a manu code for those that do. I think looking at the books helps people to get in the mood.

Plus we are just starting out and only have 4,500 songs. We DON"T have em all.


I agree, the books give ideas. If I go to a show, I try to have a small list of songs I may sing. If I don't, I forget them. As a host, I type them in a spreadsheet, I use the sheet as a notepad for any songs that may malfunction, songs that are requested that I don't have, and for songs I may sing and for any other issues I need to look into later.
My books no long have dupes in them. So they only show one manu for each song. I tell the customers that if it's not in the book, I don't have it but I could have other manus or versions. I know a KJ that is a pirate and has 2 books on a table. Maybe 4" binders. That's it and they've bragged to have 100,000 songs. They tell people "just ask, we will have it". So my opinion is that they have the old outdated books there for 2 reasons, to give people ideas, and to make it appear that they are legit.
If I go to another show, I enjoy going through their books. I like to see how they put them together, how accurate they are and what they have as well as how many pages. By the way, today I celebrate moving past the 3000 mark for karaoke songs, all unique and not counting dupes.
Author:  exweedfarmer [ Tue May 26, 2009 4:33 pm ]
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"I do not like green eggs and ham Sam I am..." Try kiosks. Put your books next to the kiosk. The books will gather dust. After introducing the kiosks at a regular gig I went from 100+ slips per night to 3 within three weeks, and I had a lot more time to drink beer. Blessed be the kiosk.
Author:  timberlea [ Tue May 26, 2009 7:18 pm ]
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For those who use kiosks, one question. Do you read novels, books online or real paper books, and why?
Author:  mckyj57 [ Tue May 26, 2009 7:37 pm ]
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timberlea @ Tue May 26, 2009 10:18 pm wrote:
For those who use kiosks, one question. Do you read novels, books online or real paper books, and why?

I am not sure it is the same thing. 8-)

I have seen kiosks in use, and they do work. No problems that I saw, anyway.
Author:  CStaley [ Tue May 26, 2009 11:44 pm ]
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mckyj57 @ Tue May 26, 2009 7:37 pm wrote:
timberlea @ Tue May 26, 2009 10:18 pm wrote:
For those who use kiosks, one question. Do you read novels, books online or real paper books, and why?

I am not sure it is the same thing. 8-)

I have seen kiosks in use, and they do work. No problems that I saw, anyway.


Thank you mckyj57.... that pretty much puts it all in a nutshell....

"THEY DO WORK!"



And here's a question for Timberlea: Do you write out your books one-by-one in longhand or do you use a computer to make your books, and why?
Author:  Lonman [ Wed May 27, 2009 2:12 am ]
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I'm sure kisoks do work in certain situations, but even though i'm toyin with the idea of a kisok or two, I will always have books available to those who want them. I know I prefer a book to look through at a show so I know others would appreciate the same courtesy.
Author:  timberlea [ Wed May 27, 2009 5:34 am ]
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I just love when people answer a question with a question. The reason being is that people like the feel ofpaper in their hands and flipping through a book is usually more at home with people than scrolling. And reading a book on plane, bus, car etc is more convenient than a laptop or a crackberry.
Author:  karyoker [ Wed May 27, 2009 5:44 am ]
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I still make books just not as many. Some use books some dont. Some turn in slips some dont. Its another case where a business caters to what the public wants. The poll should be directed at singers not hosts.
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