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Author:  Lone Wolf [ Mon Jun 08, 2009 5:53 am ]
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When I first started out, I ripped most of my discs at 128 and shoulda ripped them at a higher speed but didn't due to hard drive space.

Now that I've gotten a larger hard drive I've been thinking about redoing them at 192.

So the question is would YOU do them again to go from 128 to 192?

Is there really that much difference? Or maybe even higher say 256 or even 320.

Would only be hmmm about 200 discs or so I think.

Lone Wolf
Author:  letitrip [ Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:06 am ]
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As far as I'm concerned, there is a huge difference between the two. In fact, I actually rip my music now at 256K. At 128K most pieces have a lot of detectable artifacts that become really noticeable when played through a high-end and strongly amplified PA. Even at 192K I still on some songs can pick out some pre-echo. So as a result I just rip all mine at 256K. Sure it doubles the size of the files, but hard disk space is cheap and my audio quality shouldn't be.
Author:  Zonerc [ Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:19 am ]
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Me personally i would redo them at 192, i dont think most will notice any differance after that as 192 is classed as cd quality ,but i think it all depends on the encoder that is used .
As you already got them done at 128 there will be no big rush to get them done ,just replace at your own pace.
Author:  mckyj57 [ Mon Jun 08, 2009 7:08 am ]
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The worst part of ripping for me is getting the names right. I have some scripts that rename and rezip files and standardize artists. With those, I just ripped a new 30-disk set in a couple of days of light work. (I did it at 256.)

As someone pointed out, you can do it piecemeal. The file dates should tell you if you have copied over a previous set.
Author:  stogie [ Mon Jun 08, 2009 7:36 am ]
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I would re rip. I have been purchasing a lot of audio CDs and ripping them at 256 or higher. A USB powered 500GB HD is like $100 so I'm not worried about file size. 128 quality is usually not very good IMO. I would suggest a minimum of 192. Eventually I'm going to re rip all of my Karaoke discs at 256 or higher.
Author:  Lonman [ Mon Jun 08, 2009 8:09 am ]
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Lone Wolf @ Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:53 am wrote:
When I first started out, I ripped most of my discs at 128 and shoulda ripped them at a higher speed but didn't due to hard drive space.

Now that I've gotten a larger hard drive I've been thinking about redoing them at 192.

So the question is would YOU do them again to go from 128 to 192?

Is there really that much difference? Or maybe even higher say 256 or even 320.

Would only be hmmm about 200 discs or so I think.

Lone Wolf


I would rip them at 320 & get a nice 1TB hard drive to store them. YES there is a big difference - even between 128 & 192.
Author:  karyoker [ Mon Jun 08, 2009 8:15 am ]
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Thats what I like about a singer history.. Some I have ripped as WAV. Most above 128. Some of the newer ones higher but there is no way I'm going to rerip the entire library.


However I still maintain at crowd volume and using the right procs and setttings there is not that much difference. To really notice the difference I have to bypass the procs and turn the EFX off unless the original is bad to start with.
Author:  Lone Wolf [ Mon Jun 08, 2009 8:39 am ]
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Lonman @ Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:09 am wrote:
Lone Wolf @ Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:53 am wrote:
When I first started out, I ripped most of my discs at 128 and shoulda ripped them at a higher speed but didn't due to hard drive space.

Now that I've gotten a larger hard drive I've been thinking about redoing them at 192.

So the question is would YOU do them again to go from 128 to 192?

Is there really that much difference? Or maybe even higher say 256 or even 320.

Would only be hmmm about 200 discs or so I think.

Lone Wolf


I would rip them at 320 & get a nice 1TB hard drive to store them. YES there is a big difference - even between 128 & 192.


Yea saw a 1TB at walmart yesterday for $119

Let the ripping begin

L.W.
Author:  karaoke koyote [ Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:38 am ]
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Yeah, I rip mine at 256 NOW, but ripped many of my first disks at 128 due to stupidity on my part.... ack.

I've been slowly going through an re ripping the popular tracks, but the rarely used one I haven't messed with.
Author:  Flipper [ Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:47 am ]
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The "New Circuit City" online has a 1TB Seagate for 89.95

http://www.circuitcity.com/applications ... _S130-8120


As for re-ripping I would do my singers history first and then jot down ones as I hear them and make a note to re-rip. 320 is the way to go.
Author:  6 String [ Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:19 pm ]
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An average 3.5 minute song should average around 9MB at 320kbs. A 500GB hard disk will hold over 50,000 songs at that rate.
Many hard disk manufacturers measure MB/GB differently (some calculating by 1000 others at 1024) which means your 500GB drive may actually show up as being a few GB less than advertised when you put it in your computer, but even so, you should comfortably fit 50,000+ songs on a 500GB drive no matter how it is calculated.

A 500GB drive is dirt cheap these days. I'd say get 3 of those if you can, and rip at 320kbps. Stick 2 in the computer (the 2nd as a backup) and keep another at home in case your van gets whisked downstream in a freak flood just after you've loaded your gear into it.
If you surpass 50,000 songs, then get some more, they'll be even cheaper by then! :)
Author:  knightshow [ Mon Jun 08, 2009 5:00 pm ]
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I have reripped the majority of mine. Still doing it here and there.
Author:  Dr Fred [ Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:45 am ]
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I ripped all of mine at .wav which is in theory lossless compared to CD. Sure I may not be able to tell the difference between .wav and 320 but I had the HD space and I can always bulk convert them downward. (converting to a higher rate on the other hand takes much time).

I know I will not have to be worrying about this in the future (until the CD bitrate improves).

I currently use a 500 gb drive that only needs firewire, (segate I think I paid about 110 for it a while ago). They are a bit more expensive than the other HDs, but still very cheap. The advantage is I have one less power supply and wire running around. (and it can still hold a lot of songs).

Since I have to setup each night it is worth it to have one less thing to plug in.

My advice is that you make sure you have a backup hard drive with all your songs that you keep separate from your working drive (in case of theft or other disaster). I had a KJ friend who had his HD stolen and it was a major pain for him.
Author:  oneofakind864 [ Tue Jun 09, 2009 12:57 pm ]
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I agree about the terra drive- we just got one because we HAD to--I ripped all mine at 320 and filled up out old drive. :oops: But to be honest my husband said it would be alot easier to add extra memory than to re rip... :dancin:



regarding the quality level....Letitrip was very specific about the partucular sounds you get at the lower rip...I couldn't have done that and specified what was different- but when I go to shows- or even on our system at home- I can tell a difference in good quality and compressed...it's like the difference between HD and regular TV. Someone who's never seen HD wouldn't know the difference...but once they do see HD- then they realize how HUGE of a contrast there is. :o Bottom line...I'd re rip if you want the best sound.
Author:  BruceFan4Life [ Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:07 pm ]
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I would never go through the trouble of re-ripping unless my hard drive failed along with my back ups all at the same time. I'd have no choice. 128 is plenty good enough for me. I can't tell the difference between playing a CDG file ripped at 128 on my PC from playing the same song from the original disc. Maybe my ears just aren't that sensitive.
Author:  Tad [ Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:53 pm ]
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so....

Do you mind if I ask what software folks are using for ripping and why do they like that particular software over others?

--Tad
Author:  mckyj57 [ Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:08 pm ]
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Tad @ Tue Jun 09, 2009 7:53 pm wrote:
so....

Do you mind if I ask what software folks are using for ripping and why do they like that particular software over others?

--Tad

I have tried a few, and I like PowerKaraoke's PowerCDG Burner/Ripper. I just ripped 30 disks and didn't have a single failure of the titles or the ripping. It is fast, and it also burns disks that most any player will play. Highly recommended.
Author:  Lonman [ Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:58 am ]
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Tad @ Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:53 pm wrote:
so....

Do you mind if I ask what software folks are using for ripping and why do they like that particular software over others?

--Tad

Since I use Hoster, I use the built in ripper. I don't plan on moving to any other hosting program so a proprietary format is not an issue for me. Although there are a couple other programs that will play the kma format & even convert them to mp3g if I needed so again, not any issues here.
Author:  Bill H. [ Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:16 am ]
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BruceFan4Life @ Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:07 pm wrote:
I would never go through the trouble of re-ripping unless my hard drive failed along with my back ups all at the same time. I'd have no choice. 128 is plenty good enough for me. I can't tell the difference between playing a CDG file ripped at 128 on my PC from playing the same song from the original disc. Maybe my ears just aren't that sensitive.


I'm with you man. Here at home I can kind of detect a difference in high end definition (ride cymbals especially) if it's the right material, but in a loud noisy bar... no way. Not with these ears anyway. Maybe they're not the golden ears of some in here.

I think the bottom line would be if you as KJ hear a difference. If I did it would really bug me and I'd re-do them. But I highly doubt if any of your singers would notice if you go through with it.
Author:  Lone Wolf [ Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:17 am ]
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I use power karaoke like mckyj57 and for the same reasons although I do watch the titles as some people that input to freedb can't spell or maybe it's just their typing ability, also not everyone does it the same some put title - artist - disc, some disc - artist - title and so on. I use artist - title - disc so sometimes I have to rearrange them, then again sometimes they don't even exist so have to input them all.
But I love the program.

Lone Wolf
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