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Since I'm still using books, I think I will come out ahead moneywise in the long run if I purchase a laser jet printer. I believe the long run cost is much cheaper vs a ink jet that I can get for 50 bucks but have to pay 30 bucks for a pair of black and color cartridges at cartridge world. These cartridges barely get me thru my 4 books times 50 pages. I'm just looking now but I found one toner for 30 bucks that will do 6000 pages. Thoughts anyone?

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I don't know if the savings, if any are worth it?
I have mine done at CopyMax (OfficeMax), 203 pages printed and spiral bound for about $15 a book

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If I try to go that way, it may be an issue because I print my pages out on fastTracks. I know of no way to convert the files to excel or another program.

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This is a good printer and you can buy toner refills on Ebay for $20 or less.

2040

Kary how many pages can I get out of one toner?

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I have a Brother HL-2170W monochrome laser that works great. It even works over my home wifi network so all my machines can use it.

It is a small, personal machine, so the toner isn't as large as some other lasers, but the toner only costs about $30 (ldproducts.com) in generic form for 6000 pages.

It is extremely fast, and I can print 8 songbooks (4 artist, 4 title) without going through an entire toner cartridge.

I think the printer ran about $125 on sale, and I am very pleased with the quality.

This replaced a HUGE COMMERCIAL Dell color laser that cost a fortune to replace the various color toners. For color work, I have a small all in one brother inkjet which scans, faxes, prints and copies (MFC-2040c). Using an inkjet for everything will put you in the poor house quickly.

Gawd I forget but you can do 10 books or more. I have to restuff using the old protectors but with a 500 pack of paper I can do many books. That's a few dollars a book but it's time consuming. I print both sides with PDF and books wirh about 14K have about 175 pages or 90 sheets.

FYI the latest thing I discovered is [url=http://http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/[/u]http://http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/[/u[/url] It prints anything you can print jpg, cad, & prints into a vector PDF file. A 2 MB JPG is reduced to KB.

Note that the page printing estimates are based on 5% coverage per page. If you have tons of text, or lots of gray shading, it can easily be 5% coverage or even more. At any rate, there is no doubt that laser printing is significantly less per page than ink jet printing.

In addition, since laser ink is fused to the page, there is little or no smearing when compared to most ink jet pages, especially if they get wet!

In most cases, you can get the least cost per page with a large, workgroup monochrome laser. Although the toner costs more, it is usually much larger and prints many more pages (often 15k-30k pages are not uncommon). However, for small-scale use like most of us would need, it is not worth the cost of this type of large laser. These laser printers usually run $700 - $1500.

2500 pages

Google brother 2040 in Ebay.

It is way worth it to go laser over ink jet or having it printed at staples. My book is currently 230 pages. To print one book by artits and title on my inkjet used to cost $40, and that would take 3 hours to print double sided.

I was lucky enough to get a HP LaserJet 8000DN given to me. It is a high volume printer that prints double sided, and is on my home network. I bought a new toner cartridge for just under $100 at fry's. I have printer 4 books by artist and title, and 5 books by Artist only, couple hundred song slips. I have also printed about to same amount for 2 KJ friends, my subs actually. This bad boy could print another 20 books easy. You get about 17,000 pages per toner cartridge. That is way cheaper than staples or ink Jet. I just printed all of this in the last month, I expect the toner to last for the rest of the year.

Felix the KJ

Cool. My exact thoughts. I will keep my little inkjet for scanning and doing color and buy a laserjet for books and songslips.

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If you can print you can print to a PDF file printer driver. There are several free on the web...just google.

Then you take the pdf file to your printer of choice and tell them to print back to back.

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I have had an HP5500DN (color, large format, duplex) for 3 years and had an HP8500 (black, duplex, large format).

If you print a lot like you've described above, your cartridge will NOT last the rest of the year. Especially if you use third party cartridges.

I've got a Samsung laser printer... had it for a couple of years. Got it at TigerDirect, I think. Awesome little printer. About 22 or 25 pages a minute.

Perfect for printing out the books. I print one book and then take it to Kinkos to do the rest.

What might be the rest? Just having them print out the pages or do you spiro them as well knight?

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Just saw this thread, and saw karyoker suggest the Brother 2040. Uhhh,,don't use that one, We use them at work all the time. Our accounting department buys them because they are cheap. Cheap is the right word. Toner is not the issue, we get around 10000 pages per toner, the drum is the issue. The drum makes a total mess of things at times, rolls the pages so they are no longer flat, and they cannot print on both sides. Almost every day these printers bind up, (paper jams very frequent). I honestly DO NOT recommend these at all, even though the cost really is pretty low, both printer and replacement toners. Just not an efficient and durable machine. I have had to replace mine at my desk twice already in 3 years, not to mention replacing the drum many more times.

I do have to say tho, that I too am looking for the ideal printer, and am still looking. I actually have a really good Samsung CLP-510 printer at home that I would love to use for printing books. It's fast (37 ppm black), prints both sides easily, clear pages each and every time. Only problem is the expensive toner cartridges (80 bucks each X4). I have to order the replacements online, which I find annoying. And I can only get about 3000 pages per print, so I am on my third cartridge each time I would have to reprint books. Gets WAY expensive. So I am still looking.

Good luck, I will follow this thread closely to see if anyone has some good info.

I use a HP P1006 that I got of ebay for $58.00 including shipping, it didn't come with cartridges but picked them up on ebay 2 for $66.00 says they will do 1500 pages per cartridge and I've pushed one of them further than that.

I did 4 books double sided 195 pages each plus more stuff for around the house and it still prints strong so the cartridge will do more than it says.

I'm happy with it.

Oh yea it prints about 17 pages per minute.

Lone Wolf

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Yea it seems the drum gets too hot and curls the pages a bit. I can see where it would be a problem with every day bulk printing. The only time I really work mine is doing books and the I print 50 pages both sides then turn it it off to cool and stuff the sheets. After printing one side I "roll and form the sheets in the opposite direction". The rest of the year it is just a few sheets at a time or request slips.


Ive used it 3 or 4 years though. I grew up fighting the old ribbon printers I thought this normal..

I did read reviews about the curling issue.

This is what I bought: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0353043595


Even though it came with a new cartridge (and printer cable which is rare) I bought this: HP Q5949X LJ 1320 Compatible High Yield Black Toner Cartridge, New Drum which is supposed to do 6000 pages. Cost me $37 including shipping. I always make sure I have a back up on replacable product (such as antiperspirant) so when one runs out, I put in a new one and reorder again. Total of $168. Won't need to buy any cartridges for awhile. My full books is only 88 pages (no dupes) currently although it will continue to grow.
Thanks for the suggestions.

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I have two of those 2040s, and like them. No problems in 3 years (and 4 years before that with 1260s). I am NOT a heavy user, though. I don't print that much. My wife does a fair amount, though, and again we have had no trouble through about 4 toner cartridges.

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